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Re:Scientist says cleaning indoor air could make us healthie... by pkdpic_y9k on Thursday August 05, 2021 @10:39PM (#28082707)
Love both of these ideas / tips! Any suggestions on specific air filters?
Re:Scientist says cleaning indoor air could make us healthie... by colechristensen on Thursday August 05, 2021 @11:42PM (#28083085)
You have to look quite carefully because "HEPA" became branding rather than rating, and you can find it labelled on filter appliances which vary in capture rates by several orders of magnitude.

You want ones with numbers, 99.97% is a good number to find, you can get it on big Honeywell filters.

While incredibly difficult to find, there are MPR 2800 rated furnace filters which are better than HEPA.

Re:Scientist says cleaning indoor air could make us healthie... by pkulak on Friday August 06, 2021 @02:37AM (#28083986)
Careful though. Those things can destroy your hvac system, which is not designed to deal with a severe restriction like that. Plus, they won’t last long with no pre-filtering at all. Shame to have a great filter like that just clog up with hair and pollen in three weeks.
Re:Scientist says cleaning indoor air could make us healthie... by londons_explore on Thursday August 05, 2021 @11:56PM (#28083170)
If you're recirculating the air through the filter many times, the capture rate doesn't really matter. What you don't catch on the first pass you'll catch in the 2nd.

From that point of view, even a 90% catch rate sounds fine.

Re:Scientist says cleaning indoor air could make us healthie... by colechristensen on Friday August 06, 2021 @12:07AM (#28083224)
When you're dealing with a machine that is exchanging air in a room a certain number of times per hour and a continuous influx of particulates, with less efficient filters you need more air exchanges which means more filters, bigger fans, etc.

The takeaway is that less particle efficient filters won't ever get you down to the same steady state as better filters in real world applications.

And from personal experience with filters and devices to measure airborne particles, it is hard enough getting good numbers with the best filters I can find.

Re:Scientist says cleaning indoor air could make us healthie... by wincy on Friday August 06, 2021 @01:43AM (#28083711)
If I were you I’d sign up for Consumer reports and buy their second highest rated air filtration product. The most expensive one tends to be really expensive and the second best tends to be almost as good at a significant discount. This is how I make most large purchases these days.
Re:Scientist says cleaning indoor air could make us healthie... by andreyf on Sunday August 08, 2021 @10:55PM (#28112310)
After looking at CR and buying quite a few others I'm pretty solid on alen.com standalone units, altho a central HVAC definitely seems more effective, esp. given that you aren't necessarily recirculating a build-up of CO2 all night long.
Re:Scientist says cleaning indoor air could make us healthie... by 7thaccount on Friday August 06, 2021 @12:01AM (#28083200)
I got a cheap tower Holmes from Walmart for not that much (less than $100) and I put 2 99.99% filtration HEPA filters in it and have been running at half speed most of the day for over a year.

I shake out the pre-filter (gets covered in dust and pet dander) and toss out the filters every ~6 months. I use a filtrate 1900 filter for the home air filter.

Tip: never use the "ionic" button. They come on most filters for some bizarre reason, but ionically charging the air is a bad idea.

Re:Scientist says cleaning indoor air could make us healthie... by germinalphrase on Friday August 06, 2021 @12:26AM (#28083313)
“ ionically charging the air is a bad idea.”

Why?

Re:Scientist says cleaning indoor air could make us healthie... by r00fus on Friday August 06, 2021 @12:39AM (#28083377)
Ionic means ozone generation. The idea with charged filtration is that microbic particles are attracted to the filter. However, ozone is a lung irritant.
Re:Scientist says cleaning indoor air could make us healthie... by eurasiantiger on Friday August 06, 2021 @01:38AM (#28083682)
> Ionic means ozone

No it doesn’t. Who told you that? Ozone generators are a completely different thing and air ionizers must conform to low ozone emission standards.

Re:Scientist says cleaning indoor air could make us healthie... by dragonwriter on Friday August 06, 2021 @02:11AM (#28083859)
> > Ionic means ozone

> No it doesn’t.

Yes, it does.

> Who told you that?

Among others, the EPA [0].

> Ozone generators are a completely different thing

They are, but ionizing air cleaners still generate ozone even though they are different than “ozone generators”. [0, again]

> and air ionizers must conform to low ozone emission standards.

No, only the small minority that claim health benefits in a manner which brings them under FDA medical device regulatory authority do. [0, again.] But even those so regulated in ozone emissions are net ozone generators.

[0] https://www.epa.gov/indoor-air-quality-iaq/what-are-ionizers...

Re:Scientist says cleaning indoor air could make us healthie... by bsilvereagle on Friday August 06, 2021 @01:27AM (#28083620)
Getting a filter that is properly sized for your space and that meets your unique requirements (ACH, efficiency, etc) is likely sufficient.

Here’s an outline on how to go from the common rating, CADR, to various parameters that are of interest:

https://frdmtoplay.com/nagivating-air-purification/

Re:Scientist says cleaning indoor air could make us healthie... by faeriechangling on Friday August 06, 2021 @02:05AM (#28083824)
In terms of bang for buck nothing comes remotely close to having a furnace filter strapped to a 20" box fan. This gets you most of the benefits of an expensive filter for a fraction of the price.

People will talk about CADR but also look at TCO.

Re:Scientist says cleaning indoor air could make us healthie... by pkulak on Friday August 06, 2021 @02:33AM (#28083963)
It’s only a good price for a bit though. Without any kind of pre-filter, large dust will clog that expensive near-hepa filter in a couple months. Plus, an axial fan can’t really move air though a good filter very well.

I still recommend just spending the 150 bucks on a Winex or Coway. Then you have true hepa, plus filters that last a year.

Re:Scientist says cleaning indoor air could make us healthie... by andreyf on Sunday August 08, 2021 @10:58PM (#28112329)
*Winix
Re:Scientist says cleaning indoor air could make us healthie... by theCodeStig on Friday August 06, 2021 @12:04AM (#28083213)
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