Observation-based early-warning signals for a collapse of the Gulf Stream

Re:Observation-based early-warning signals for a collapse of... by leppr on Thursday August 05, 2021 @05:25PM (#28080090)

That's because there is no "we". The most popular way to deal with coordinating important collective efforts is to give up all power to a small elite group and hope their members are magically not self-interested. The effect is predictable and manifested with the Covid pandemic: elites were informed in time, prepared their own affairs adequately [1], and let the rest fend for themselves.

Figure out some actual governance and coordination schemes and "we" may have a chance at beating the Prisoner's Dilemma.

[1]: I have personal anecdotes, but publicly available data speaks for itself: https://inequality.org/great-divide/updates-billionaire-pand...

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Re:Observation-based early-warning signals for a collapse of... by roenxi on Friday August 06, 2021 @07:31AM (#28085705)

You forgot a step - the elites will ban any community attempts to self-organise and solve their own problems. Note that in the COVID pandemic it is typically illegal (at least in the West) for non-government actors to decide what controls and remedies are appropriate.

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Re:Observation-based early-warning signals for a collapse of... by rbanffy on Friday August 06, 2021 @09:13AM (#28086683)

I’m pretty sure governments only set minimum controls and remedies and communities are free to implement additional measures on top of that.

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Re:Observation-based early-warning signals for a collapse of... by roenxi on Friday August 06, 2021 @09:43AM (#28087038)

I seem to recall someone, possibly the US CDC, banning alternative COVID tests to their faulty one in the early days of the pandemic.

If someone attempts set up emergency mask production they'd probably get hit by anti-gouging laws, because that isn't cheap.

And the vaccines are presumably only available because the governments relented, fast-tracked them and provided special guarantees to help people get over the testing hurdle. Normally it takes 4-8 years to get a vaccine to market. We've got evidence here that those years are more red tape than requirement, it suggests up to 75% of the regulatory process is destructive theatre.

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Re:Observation-based early-warning signals for a collapse of... by rbanffy on Saturday August 07, 2021 @05:40AM (#28097232)

Clinical testing is affected by diminishing returns. Anything is a lot safer after a month of testing, but the usual safety standards demands a little more safety, and improving on “100 times less likely to kill you than the disease” thing often takes years.

This will not be our last pandemic. The lessons we leaned, and the lessons we should have learned, will come back a lot.

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Re:Observation-based early-warning signals for a collapse of... by BoxOfRain on Friday August 06, 2021 @08:14AM (#28086064)

I wonder how the elite will approach climate change when it really starts to bite? If I wanted to survive a dystopia I'd be making friends with the common people and using my considerable personal resources to help address their concerns and earn their loyalty, not elevating myself stratospherically above them then trying to hide when shit hits the fan.

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Re:Observation-based early-warning signals for a collapse of... by creamytaco on Saturday August 07, 2021 @03:29AM (#28096566)

They actual elites have enough money to live comfortably for hundreds of years. They don’t have to care about climate change, maybe they even see it as welcome since it will kill billions of people if nothing is done. That’s how detached they are from the rest of us.

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