Re:Apple's plan to “think different” about encryption opens ...
by artimaeis on Thursday August 05, 2021 @05:28PM
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It's not doing any sort of scanning of your photos while they're just sitting on your device. The CSAM scanning only occurs when uploading photos to iCloud, and only to the photos being uploaded.
Source (pdf): https://www.apple.com/child-safety/pdf/CSAM_Detection_Techni...
Re:Apple's plan to “think different” about encryption opens ...
by lovelyviking on Thursday August 05, 2021 @08:19PM
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>only occurs when uploading photos to iCloud, and only to the photos being uploaded.
Or so they say? Did you see the source code?
Anyway that's not the issue.
The issue is what they are going to do next without telling you.
The issue is installation of spyware engine, not it's current usage.
Re:Apple's plan to “think different” about encryption opens ...
by pseudalopex on Thursday August 05, 2021 @06:29PM
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> It's not doing any sort of scanning of your photos while they're just sitting on your device.
Yet. The point is the new system makes it feasible.
Re:Apple's plan to “think different” about encryption opens ...
by artimaeis on Thursday August 05, 2021 @10:08PM
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It’s always feasible that they put a change in that does something users don’t want and invades hardware privacy. But this update is not an instance of that. It’s simply changing how we interact with their SaaS. We’re no further down some slippery slope.
Re:Apple's plan to “think different” about encryption opens ...
by echelon on Thursday August 05, 2021 @08:35PM
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Don't forget: this was leaked. Apple may never have told us. They could have released some of the features without letting on about the scanning.
Re:Apple's plan to “think different” about encryption opens ...
by artimaeis on Thursday August 05, 2021 @10:09PM
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Was it? From what I can tell they published this in a general media release today. If it was leaked before today I seem to have missed it.
Re:Apple's plan to “think different” about encryption opens ...
by echelon on Thursday August 05, 2021 @11:07PM
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It was leaked on Twitter yesterday and followed up by a major newspaper article with more details. The surprise created a lot of anger.
Today was Apple's first press release about it.
Apple certainly didn't want it to be revealed like this, and they might have kept the pieces not related to child privacy hush hush.
> I think again, the backlash is daft.
Don't apologize for this bullshit! Don't let your love of brand trump the reality of what's going on here.
Machinery is being put in place to detect what files are on your supposedly secure device. Someone has the reins and promises not to use it for anything other than "protecting the children".
How many election cycles or generations does it take to change to an unfavorable climate where this is now a tool of great asymmetrical power to use against the public?
What happens when the powers that be see that you downloaded labor union materials, documents from Wikileaks, or other files that implicate you as a risk?
Perhaps a content hash on your phone puts you in a flagged bucket where you get pat downs at the airport, increased surveillance, etc.
The only position to take here is a full rebuke of Apple.
edit: Apple apologists are taking a downright scary position now. I suppose the company has taken a full 180 from their 1984 ad centerpiece. But that's okay, right, because Apple is a part of your identity and it's beyond reproach?
edit 2: It's nominally iCloud only (a key feature of the device/ecosystem), but that means having to turn off a lot of settings. One foot in the door...
edit 3: Please don't be complicit in allowing this to happen. Don't apologize or rationalize. This is only a first step. We warned that adtech and monitoring and abuse of open source were coming for years, and we were right. We're telling you - loudly - that this will begin a trend of further erosion of privacy and liberty.