> Yeah this is the mobile phone equivalent of growing your own vegetables.

Sadly...I know. The unfortunate thing is my recommendation for my family/friends for a phone is an iPhone, because it really is the best for security/privacy today, and they at least support their phones for much longer than an Android.

> I don't want that to be the case, but until the pine phone is here and starts being a reasonable alternative; that's how it is.

Fortunately, I think that time is coming sooner than later.