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Re:Macaques at Japan reserve get first alpha female in 70-ye... by runawaybottle on Thursday August 05, 2021 @10:51AM (#28074522)
Bill Burr always had a good joke about inclusivity in politics, where the gist of it is - just because you have a woman, or a minority as your leader, doesn’t also mean that a woman or minority won’t be a corrupt piece of shit.

You’ll just have diversity in corruption, nothing will truly change, so don’t just blindly support these current ideologies.

Re:Macaques at Japan reserve get first alpha female in 70-ye... by tpush on Thursday August 05, 2021 @11:32AM (#28075135)
Corruption and diversity are obviously orthogonal issues which I think everyone recognizes, so I'm not sure what point Bill Burr was trying to make. Women being just as corrupt as men is kind of irrelevant for any diversity policy; Burr's joke isn't illuminating much here.
Re:Macaques at Japan reserve get first alpha female in 70-ye... by kevin_thibedeau on Thursday August 05, 2021 @11:46AM (#28075358)
He's attacking the "women-are-wonderful" bias which most people aren't cognizant of. You see lowlifes like the woman who assaulted the teenager last year over a phone hide behind their gender and act like their bad behavior is an impossibility.
Re:Macaques at Japan reserve get first alpha female in 70-ye... by tpush on Thursday August 05, 2021 @12:15PM (#28075797)
I'm sure people with those biases exist, however Burr is willfully conflating these people with any diversity initiative or outreach; that's both unfounded and ignorant, and seems like the kind of joke that you laugh about until you think deeper on it for like 5 minutes.
Re:Macaques at Japan reserve get first alpha female in 70-ye... by lliamander on Thursday August 05, 2021 @12:43PM (#28076177)
Several world leaders, including former President Barak Obama, have said there would be less wars if women ruled the world. I've seen diversity initiatives justified on the basis that women would make better leaders because they are more "empathetic".

Burr is right in targeting a belief with a high-degree of traction, and that includes among people involved in DEI initiatives.

Re:Macaques at Japan reserve get first alpha female in 70-ye... by runawaybottle on Thursday August 05, 2021 @11:35AM (#28075186)
Just read the comment below yours. People actually believe that there is something qualitatively different about gender with respect to the job.

‘The world would be better if women ran it’ or ‘The world would be better if men ran it’, none of these beliefs use objective criteria, yet it is one of the more dominant themes in the current zeitgeist.

Re:Macaques at Japan reserve get first alpha female in 70-ye... by mikepurvis on Thursday August 05, 2021 @11:02AM (#28074699)
Maybe, but be careful that this argument is circulated in good faith and not just as a cover for getting another dude over the line into the job. Especially if it's a job that has never been done by a woman, so you really don't know how they might do it better.

For example, it's been widely observed that on the whole, countries with female leadership understood and managed COVID better than the rest— acting sooner, more decisively, and in a way that both started and stayed aligned to the evolving scientific understanding. A sprinkling of articles across varying dates:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/avivahwittenbergcox/2020/04/13/...

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-01-31/women-...

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2021-03-...