> But yeah, I'm probably lying

Well, you've made false statements and promoted untrue things in this thread, so ... yah, I think I'll err on the side of not believing a goddamn thing you say.

The simple fact that you aren't willing to offer any evidence when asked for it does in fact make you and your assertion appear to be a lot less credible. This is public data at least anywhere in the US. Where is this largish hospital? Inquiring minds want to know.

Is it public data anywhere in the US? I know that my state (Michigan) doesn't break down hospitalizations by vaccination status. Or if they do, it's not with the rest of the Covid data they put out online.

The link below suggests that the story your doctor acquaintance is telling telling is either an outlier for your state or is just incorrect. BTW, I found this data from last week with this search "us hospitalizations covid vaccination status". There's also CDC data which is updated weekly that can be seen in the same search. So not hard or complicated to verify.

https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrou...

Perhaps they or you just misunderstood the context or statistic that was presented. It might not be possible (or advisable), but you could disclose the name of the hospital and we could follow up with them to validate the claim.

There was no misunderstanding. I'm not going to disclose the name of the hospital, which I'm sure you can understand.

I'm just relaying an anecdote that was told to me by someone who would know. I can't offer anything more than that, and I completely understand why anyone would choose not to believe it.

Individual nurses and doctors are not pandemic experts and can often be mistaken about statistics and biases in numbers.

Vaccines will be updated to include Delta.

> There's nothing I can show you that would make you believe what I'm saying

Real data from a reputable source would be more than sufficient.

Remarkable how you seem to be unable to produce any...

Do you have real data from a reputable source that says otherwise?

I'm talking about hospitalizations broken down by vaccination status. Not cases, not symptomatic cases, not deaths. Hospitalizations.

I already supplied data from numerous independent studies that examine that exact question.

Are you saying you haven't actually read any of them?

Want more? Okay, fine, here's just one jurisdiction which provides a wealth of data and a variety of breakdowns, including percentage of hospitalizations by vaccination status (this is a jurisdiction where >60% of eligible people are fully vaccinated and >75% are partially vaccinated, so there's a wealth of data about vaccine effectiveness):

https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm...

> 92.1% of hospitalized cases (5,260/5,709) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date

I'll grant you that breakdown doesn't specifically break out Delta cases from non-VOC cases, but they also include a specific analysis of vaccine effectiveness versus Delta based on current data in the province:

> B.1.617 Variant [Partial] 57% (51 to 63%) [Complete] 85% (78 to 89%)

Now, this is a blended set of numbers across all vaccine types, and so represents the average effectiveness across Pfizer, Moderna, and AZ. So there's some nuance that's missing, here.

Regardless, even with just a single dose of a COVID vaccine the average effectiveness versus Delta of symptomatic illness is greater than 50%, which, as I previously noted, will absolutely put a significant dent in the R-value. And 85% is absolutely fantastic.

Alright, I showed you mine, now you show me yours.