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Re:NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings by AngryData on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @04:02PM (#28065582)
So is using spermicidal lube considered killing children?

A ball of cells and flesh that cannot survive outside of another human does not and should not have human rights. Otherwise we gotta start considering the human rights of cancerous growths.

Re:NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings by Daishiman on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @02:57PM (#28064797)
As far as many of us are concerned, fetuses do not have human status, so the argument is absolutely irrelevant for most as a comparison.
Re:NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings by _-david-_ on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @03:33PM (#28065218)
A fetus is by definition a human. In fact it is the third stage of human development. This is why people argue against personhood. The claim is you can be a human fetus but not have personhood yet.
Re:NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings by dont__panic on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @03:03PM (#28064868)
Do unborn children occasionally pop out of women's bodies, enter other people's bodies, and reproduce uncontrollably to a point where they stop those other people from breathing?

If so, we can apply the same logic to coronavirus and pregnancy. If not, you're just drawing a false parallel.

Re:NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings by corey_moncure on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @03:13PM (#28064975)
"The needs of society can override the individual's right to bodily self-determination". This is the thesis you need to tear down. Whence goes the vaccine, so goes abortion.
Re:NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings by krapp on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @03:48PM (#28065401)
>Whence goes the vaccine, so goes abortion.

We've had mandatory vaccinations for over a century, certainly since Roe V. Wade, and yet abortion is still legal.

Half the US believes abortion is murder and a sin against God and yet as far as I know, never has anyone tried to use the existence of vaccination laws as a pretext for making abortion illegal. That wouldn't even make sense.

Re:NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings by h_anna_h on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @03:16PM (#28065019)
The point is the comparison between the life of others vs the "right to bodily self-determination".