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Re:Nissan's Leaf S is now the cheapest EV in the US at $27,400 by bluesquared on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @08:01AM (#28059959)
It's great that brand-new EVs are getting cheaper. Recall aside, a used Chevy Bolt is a much better value. 15-18k USD for 240 mile range, DC "fast" charging (50kV).
Re:Nissan's Leaf S is now the cheapest EV in the US at $27,400 by throwaway0a5e on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @08:41AM (#28060310)
If you want "value" ICE subcompact hatches are still going to blow both the bolt and the leaf out of the water at any price point. The purchase price differential is just too big to make up on any reasonable timeline. The amount of driving you'd need to to do make back the difference in gas is beyond what these small EVs can do without unreasonable amounts of mid-trip charging.

You pretty much need a weird use case with really short trips, a little bit of regulatory favoritism and extra cheap charging in order to make these small EVs work out on a pure cost basis.

Re:Nissan's Leaf S is now the cheapest EV in the US at $27,400 by panda888888 on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @01:52PM (#28064058)
That's not necessarily true in the used market, although it depends on where you live. Due to how the tax credits work, EVs depreciate precipitously. One the west coast, used EVs are often cheaper than used ICE cars.

You're right that range for used EVs is a significant issue, but with EVs being cheaper, the "make back the difference in gas" argument no longer holds.

Here's an example of a used 2018 Nissan Leaf (https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/d/renton-2018-nissan-...) for $20k, which ends up being $5k cheaper than a similar 2019 honda civic hatchback (https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/ctd/d/puyallup-2019-honda...). Hondas are better cars than Nissans, but it's clear that the price gap between EVs and ICE cars has narrowed considerably, to the point that it has basically disappeared.

As another example, you can buy a 2016 Chevy Spark EV for $6k, and the car will have under 50k miles. (Example: https://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/ctd/d/hillsboro-2016-che...). You'd be hard pressed to find a 2015 ICE hatchback with under 50,000 miles at that same $6k price.

Re:Nissan's Leaf S is now the cheapest EV in the US at $27,400 by throwaway0a5e on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @02:46PM (#28064662)
If you are buying an upscale commuter car to park beside your spouse's 4Runner what you are saying is absolutely true. A Leaf or Bolt is cheaper than the Civics and Camrys that typically adorn the driveways of good school districts.

If you are mucking about lower in the market ICE is still cheaper. A Mitsubishi Mirage MSRP's for less than the used Leaf costs. ~5-8yo Kia Rios and Souls (and plenty of sedans) are everywhere for a little more or less than the Spark (which is a unicorn) depending on age/miles.

The spark EV is a great deal if you need a stripped down urban runabout. It's an outlier and they aren't exactly readily available used since they were a compliance car with a set of attributes that make the high class consumers that typically buy EVs turn and run. Go sit in any spark. It will be clear why that one is $6k. There is a reason the dealer is advertising it as something that you buy for a teenager. There is a reason someone only put 50k on it in 6yr. If you need transportation and have that much money there are better ways to spend it unless you are very hung up on miles.

Re:Nissan's Leaf S is now the cheapest EV in the US at $27,400 by nolroz on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @09:30AM (#28060797)
Do you know of any "sub compact hatches" that stand it out particularly? I'm not familiar with the kind of car that refers to.
Re:Nissan's Leaf S is now the cheapest EV in the US at $27,400 by throwaway0a5e on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @09:41AM (#28060892)
Mitsubishi Mirage, Chevy Spark, Kia Rio, etc.
Re:Nissan's Leaf S is now the cheapest EV in the US at $27,400 by 0x000000001 on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @03:23PM (#28065094)
Kia Rio is #1 for fatalities. I've owned one, they're terrible cars. Drove one from Chicago to Seattle and back. Gotta crank the music to max to drown out the road and engine noise. It's a nightmare on wheels
Re:Nissan's Leaf S is now the cheapest EV in the US at $27,400 by throwaway0a5e on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @04:12PM (#28065707)
Let me tell you about this car called the Spark EV. Being EV doesn't make it not a Spark...

Don't get me wrong, these cars are fine cars and go from A to B just like the rest of them but the HN class of consumer who generally poo-poos anything that isn't Toyota Honda, Volvo or Tesla will find reasons to dislike them.