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Re:SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocke... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @04:38AM (#28046948)
> None of that would have happened without Werner von Braun and his crew

One cannot ignore that they did their later work here. Not there. As did many others whose own societies collapsed or otherwise failed them.

In any case, I’m arguing a narrow argument: that a company like SpaceX could only have been founded, when it was founded, in America. Because of its certain characteristics that are an exception in the set of the world’s cultures. (One among many: its unique ability to assimilate and positively appropriate from immigrants.) That doesn’t mean it’s faultless; that’s a straw man.

Re:SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocke... by skissane on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @05:49AM (#28047310)
> its unique ability to assimilate and positively appropriate from immigrants

The US is not unique in that regard. Australia and New Zealand are very comparable in that way. Canada probably belongs in that list too.

I agree that, in the contemporary world, SpaceX could only have happened in the US. But that's because of economic factors (government funding for the space industry, easy and plentiful access to venture capital, a low regulation business environment.) That particular combination of economic factors is unique to the US. Being exceptionally welcoming to immigrants is rare but not unique.

Re:SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocke... by jacquesm on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @01:00PM (#28051510)
Calling Werner von Braun an immigrant is a funny thing to do. Immigrants tend to have some choice in the matter. Von Braun and his band of rocket experts were given a pretty stark choice, surrender to the Russians or surrender to the Americans, they chose the latter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

In a more just world they would have stood trial in Nuremberg.

Re:SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocke... by nickpp on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @04:25PM (#28053707)
But they did have a choice and they did choose. Just NOT the USSR, just like all those countless other people over the years all choosing similarly for some crazy reason…
Re:SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocke... by jacquesm on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @04:56PM (#28054093)
Their first choice was apparently to join and serve the Nazis, the USA was their second choice when that one didn't quite pan out as expected.
Re:SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocke... by nickpp on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @05:32PM (#28054499)
They were evil, not stupid.
Re:SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocke... by jacquesm on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @05:53AM (#28059137)
Yes, hence my opinion that they should have gone through Nuremberg like the rest of the war criminals instead of being given an exemption because their knowledge came in handy. I see them at the same level as the engineers that designed the gas chambers.
Re:SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocke... by 908B64B197 on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @02:06PM (#28064236)
I'm not sure they really had a choice in the first place. I don't think the Nazis were going to let him and his family leave the country and get a job in America.