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Re:SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocke... by the_third_wave on Monday August 02, 2021 @07:34PM (#28044052)
> Also, uh, why don't we just fix Earth? Oh, that's not sexy? No, of course not, because real problems are always more complicated than simple, inspirational ideas or a colony run by a dictator.

Go ahead and start "fixing earth" then, you're free to do so if you think it is "sexy". Meanwhile others will work on launching rockets, a task they seem to be quite adept at. Also, drop the nonsensical references to a "colony run by a dictator" or at least explain what made you write that piece of prose.

Humankind needs a frontier to strive towards, this has always been the case and will probably remain so. There used to be many frontiers but technology has developed as such a rapid pace that they're starting to become quite rare. A fully reusable space launch system has the potential to open up space exploration to a far larger extent than the current - soon to be previous - generation of expendable launch vehicles did. This is a good thing since it gives people something positive to look forward to instead of all the negatives which are being pumped in their heads by the media, politicians and, yes, by individuals like you who deal in negatives like "wiped ourselves out on Earth", "a colony run by a dictator", "There is literally no. point. at. all".

As said, feel free to "fix the Earth" but may I suggest framing this in a more positive and inspiring way? If you hit the right tone - yes, tone is important - you might inspire others who might inspire even more people. You may be able to open a new frontier that way, just like people like Musk do by working on reusable launch systems. Negativity and sour grapes do not inspire others, people who want that can simply watch a political debate.

Re:SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocke... by matmatmatmat on Monday August 02, 2021 @07:50PM (#28044171)
> Go ahead and start "fixing earth" then, you're free to do so if you think it is "sexy".

I don't think it's sexy, at all. It's hard work, but it's also necessary.

> "colony run by a dictator"

A space colony is a pretty harsh environment. I'd be that it'll tend toward harsh, centralized leadership sooner rather than later, but, you know, maybe I'm wrong on that. In my defense, the things that make democracy possible -- plentiful resources, some level of societal trust, public safety -- are not going to be plentiful on Mars.

> Humankind needs a frontier to strive towards, this has always been the case and will probably remain so.

Agreed.

> There used to be many frontiers but technology has developed as such a rapid pace that they're starting to become quite rare.

Disagree. It is still the case that every question we answer in science leads to two more. Now, granted, not everyone needs/wants/can be a scientist.

> As said, feel free to "fix the Earth" but may I suggest framing this in a more positive and inspiring way?

Yeah, I probably should've, that would've probably been more convincing.

Re:SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocke... by kristofferR on Monday August 02, 2021 @10:50PM (#28045224)
The "fix the Earth before archiving your dreams" fallacy would be way more convincing if Elon wasn't also behind Tesla.
Re:SpaceX installed 29 Raptor engines on a Super Heavy rocke... by supperburg on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @12:02AM (#28045594)
And he also donated a hundred million dollars, literally a hundred million, to solving global warming. So the detractors don’t have a leg to stand on.