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Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by jfengel on Monday August 02, 2021 @11:30AM (#28037924)
San Marzanos are origin-protected in Italy, so if you get Italian San Marzano's they're legally limited in ways that promote quality.

Unfortunately, there is a large black market in mis-labeled San Marzanos, so it's not a full guarantee of quality. But it's something that they're at least working on, rather than just giving up.

Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by phkahler on Monday August 02, 2021 @11:56AM (#28038339)
>> San Marzanos are origin-protected in Italy

What does that mean? Protected under what laws?

Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by dathinab on Monday August 02, 2021 @12:41PM (#28039035)
It's like trademark but instead of:

"only this company can decide who can use the trademark"

It's like:

"only if it's production fulfills certain criteria can you use the name"

It's made as a consumer protection so that people can not just claim their product is this kind of "traditional" product when it isn't. Except that it's less used like a consumer protection as it's mainly used like a trademark. Controlled by a small group of people and directly profiting some regional government/economy.

Most commonly it requires the main ingredient to come from a specific region (also e.g. used for Wine or Sect).

EDIT: I kinda did throw different regulations into one explanation here.

Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by happymellon on Monday August 02, 2021 @02:36PM (#28040824)
It's a shame that Cheddar doesn't have good protection.

Real cheddar is full of flavour, slightly sour. Great stuff.

But you can go to places like the US and cheddar is not cheddar and they should not be allowed to call that cheddar.

Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by dagw on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @03:49AM (#28046685)
Cheddar in most places outside the UK is "not cheddar". If I go to the supermarket here in Sweden and buy the first "cheddar" I see prominently displayed, I'm not getting cheddar from the UK.
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by happymellon on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @08:05AM (#28059990)
I agree, it's Red Leicester at best. Completely lacking in any depth or complexity of flavour.
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by dagw on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @08:32AM (#28060233)
To be clear, you can get 'real' Cheddar as well if you go to the 'fancy' cheese section of a 'fancy' supermarket and pay 3 times as much.
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by adam-a on Monday August 02, 2021 @04:04PM (#28041903)
“Farmhouse cheddar” I believe is the protected term for cheese from Cheddar or nearby.
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by happymellon on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @08:03AM (#28059981)
Interesting, I was not aware of this.
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by dekhn on Monday August 02, 2021 @05:23PM (#28042851)
you can get good cheddar in the US. Here is a widely available brand which is much better than average US cheddar https://www.tillamook.com/products/cheese/sharp-white-chedda... aged cheddar is nom nom nom
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by happymellon on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @08:02AM (#28059967)
I will have to try it next time over there, but please don't be offended when I say that based upon all the cheeses I have eaten over there I won't be holding my breath.
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by nicoburns on Monday August 02, 2021 @05:53PM (#28043178)
"West Country Cheddar" is protected. I doubt you can get that in the US very easily though.
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by happymellon on Wednesday August 04, 2021 @08:03AM (#28059978)
Probably because they won't understand what "West Country" means?
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by philwelch on Monday August 02, 2021 @01:39PM (#28039952)
You know how "champagne" is technically only champagne if the grapes are from the Champagne region of France, and otherwise it's just sparkling wine? That's a legal designation in the EU.
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by dagw on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @03:51AM (#28046690)
You know how "champagne" is technically only champagne if the grapes are from the Champagne region of France

Unless you live in Russia :)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57733684

Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by gbuk2013 on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @04:48AM (#28046990)
> French producers are still allowed to use the word champagne on the front of bottles, but the use of "shampanskoye" is allowed only on local produce.
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by philwelch on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @01:01PM (#28051529)
Exactly. Russian sparkling wine is called "shampanskoye", not "champagne" ;)
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by genewitch on Monday August 02, 2021 @08:17PM (#28044360)
Bourbon, too.
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by oakesm9 on Monday August 02, 2021 @12:07PM (#28038489)
The EU is the main place that has these laws sorts of laws. I beleive that they will include it in trade deals so that it is enforceable in more of the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_indications_and_t...

Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by dagw on Monday August 02, 2021 @12:05PM (#28038470)
Protected under what laws?

Protected under EU law. Only tomatoes of a specific type AND from the specific region can use the name "San Marzanos".

Outside the EU I don't think there is anything stopping yoou from labling any random tomato as "San Marzano".

Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by riffraff on Monday August 02, 2021 @01:29PM (#28039784)
I may be wrong but I believe the canada-eu and eu-japan treaties also protect most denominations of origin (or rather, most by value rather than by specific items, but San Marzano should be included).
Re:Red delicious apples weren’t always horrible by KineticLensman on Monday August 02, 2021 @12:05PM (#28038475)
It's a regulation [0] that says that products that are associated with a specific geographic location cannot be manufactured elsewhere and then passed off as the original.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_designation_of_origi...