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Re:Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware sc... by refurb on Monday August 02, 2021 @07:26AM (#28035264)
Dude, the old guard Democrats love Israel. They have nothing to worry about, at all.
Re:Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware sc... by ashtonkem on Monday August 02, 2021 @08:15AM (#28035582)
The old guard is … old. Their ability to hold onto electoral power is impressive (and annoying to me), but the actuarial tables are looming here.

Meanwhile the new guard views Israel as an apartheid state, which isn’t great for Israel.

Re:Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware sc... by luffapi on Monday August 02, 2021 @09:33AM (#28036289)
> Meanwhile the new guard views Israel as an apartheid state, which isn’t great for Israel.

It’s great for everyone else though. As a US citizen, I’m tired of funding and being morally culpable for Israel’s terrorism and apartheid state. Thankfully as mentioned, the younger generations aren’t buying it anymore.

Edit: Since HN has decided to throttle my replies (why?). Yes I also oppose all US military adventurism and funding. We should be 100% focused on disassembling our nuclear arsenal and convincing others to do the same. This article is about Israel though, so our support of their crimes is the topic of my comment.

Re:Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware sc... by seoaeu on Monday August 02, 2021 @11:06AM (#28037483)
It is so weird to me that so many American citizens are more worried about the moral implications of the couple billion sent to Israel than the literally trillions spent on our own wars
Re:Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware sc... by ashtonkem on Monday August 02, 2021 @11:20AM (#28037753)
I think you'll find that most people concerned about military aid to Israel are likewise not a huge fan of US wars either. It's just that this thread is about Israel, so of course that is the subject that is discussed.
Re:Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware sc... by seoaeu on Monday August 02, 2021 @11:48AM (#28038225)
I've read plenty of threads here talking about the US. Very few of them pivot into discussion about military spending. Certainly not 100x or 1000x the number about Israel that pivot into military aid
Re:Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware sc... by ashtonkem on Monday August 02, 2021 @12:39PM (#28039000)
That has not been my experience. Frankly, I think it’s just that Israel is a more polarizing issue, so it gets more discussion. Reducing our military adventurism has a much broader base of support among non-elites.
Re:Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware sc... by refurb on Monday August 02, 2021 @10:43AM (#28037150)
The new guard is no different from the new guard of the 60’s they’ll either be squeezed out or conform.
Re:Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware sc... by ashtonkem on Monday August 02, 2021 @04:54PM (#28042503)
Possible, but I don’t see a mechanism for that at this point in time. It’s not like these people hid their opinions of Israel under a bushel in order to get elected; a lot of the more vocal critics of Israel handily won re-election last year, often against vocally pro-Israel opponents. Their voters either agree, or do not view Israel as an issue sufficiently important to override other policy concerns and change their vote.

If something will force these candidates to conform or leave to a pro-Israel position, it’s not obvious how or why that would happen.

Re:Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware sc... by raxxorrax on Monday August 02, 2021 @08:53AM (#28035853)
Not only the old guard. Pretty much anyone in power with very few exceptions. There is some merit to it though.