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Re:How Google quietly funds Europe’s leading tech policy ins... by viktorcode on Sunday August 01, 2021 @01:34PM (#28028211)
I find it disturbing that academics do not routinely disclose their conflicts of interest in their works. In the age when the scientific papers quality is falling, we don't need yet another reason to question scientific papers integrity. Without disclosure some people will think it was done on purpose.
Re:How Google quietly funds Europe’s leading tech policy ins... by mhh__ on Sunday August 01, 2021 @01:51PM (#28028389)
> In the age when the scientific papers quality is falling

[Citation needed]?

Re:How Google quietly funds Europe’s leading tech policy ins... by SpicyLemonZest on Sunday August 01, 2021 @03:39PM (#28029180)
Most academic researchers (https://www.nature.com/articles/533452a) believe that we're facing a phenomenon called the "reproducibility crisis" or "replication crisis", where experimental papers regularly get published even though the experiment does not work as described. This leads to more general doubts about the quality of papers in general - if you know you can't trust that experiments will reproduce, should you trust that survey data is accurate or that analyses are correct?
Re:How Google quietly funds Europe’s leading tech policy ins... by mhh__ on Sunday August 01, 2021 @03:46PM (#28029239)
That isn't the point I was making. The replication crisis is a real problem, but what I am objecting to is the far more serious allegation that overall the quality of academic research is dropping.

Science is very very difficult, a journal will try to only publish things it thinks are true however papers (especially in the more informal channels some journals have/less prestigious journals) which are merely interesting or could-be-right are published all the time. That mostly isn't a bad thing - something has to be published properly to be considered properly and fleshed out, dead ends are still ends.

Re:How Google quietly funds Europe’s leading tech policy ins... by pfortuny on Sunday August 01, 2021 @02:58PM (#28028878)
Common knowledge does mot need citations. Am an academic.
Re:How Google quietly funds Europe’s leading tech policy ins... by kettleballroll on Sunday August 01, 2021 @04:30PM (#28029616)
Am an academic too. I don't find this to be common knowledge, but a common misconception. Would like to see a citation
Re:How Google quietly funds Europe’s leading tech policy ins... by speters on Sunday August 01, 2021 @03:13PM (#28028992)
It's also common knowledge that even comparing the academic workings of two sub fields is non-trivial
Re:How Google quietly funds Europe’s leading tech policy ins... by stingraycharles on Sunday August 01, 2021 @03:22PM (#28029056)
But reproducibility is essential for science, and it has been discussed on HN articles frequently in the past few years that this is very difficult nowadays. Let alone the maligned incentives for funding academia (you are biased to have “big breakthroughs” that catch headlines so you can get more funding, rather than getting out the truth), etc.

Just take a look at this search query for “academia” on HN:

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

Re:How Google quietly funds Europe’s leading tech policy ins... by kettleballroll on Sunday August 01, 2021 @04:29PM (#28029611)
> in the past few years that this is very difficult nowadays.

I strongly disagree. It has always been as difficult as today (if not more), it's just that these days were aware of it.

Re:How Google quietly funds Europe’s leading tech policy ins... by mhh__ on Sunday August 01, 2021 @03:48PM (#28029244)
HN is full of armchair polemicists and contrarians (on academia I am not one of those, but am for other matters), so I wouldn't consider that an unbiased sample.
Re:How Google quietly funds Europe’s leading tech policy ins... by omegalulw on Sunday August 01, 2021 @03:09PM (#28028960)
It's not though. And for a topic such as this where people in academia are going to be obviously biased, citation is all the more important.
Re:How Google quietly funds Europe’s leading tech policy ins... by chestertn on Sunday August 01, 2021 @01:52PM (#28028400)
Ha. Try to publish that.
Re:How Google quietly funds Europe’s leading tech policy ins... by mhh__ on Sunday August 01, 2021 @03:49PM (#28029257)
I'd bet you a pint you could publish it without any real issue as long as you weren't glib or facetious in your presentation.
Re:How Google quietly funds Europe’s leading tech policy ins... by 3gg on Sunday August 01, 2021 @05:34PM (#28030235)
Guys are digressing from the relevant part of your comment. It looks very much obvious to me that academics should state where their funding comes from, just like non-profits have to do.
Re:How Google quietly funds Europe’s leading tech policy ins... by nabla9 on Sunday August 01, 2021 @01:54PM (#28028418)
>academics do not routinely disclose

What do you mean? Academics routinely do disclose their funding. In practically every paper published they list where their fund comes from.

If someone publishes papers without disclosing sources, that's a newsworthy exception in my opinion. Not proof that it's routine.

Re:How Google quietly funds Europe’s leading tech policy ins... by cinntaile on Sunday August 01, 2021 @02:11PM (#28028535)
According to the article the Humboldt gets about €1 million per year, I checked 10+ publications from this year [0] but I couldn't find a single one funded with Google money. Now, this doesn't mean that something fishy is going on but it would be interesting to find the research that Google did fund since it doesn't seem like the funds were used for regular research.

[0] https://www.hiig.de/en/publications/

Re:How Google quietly funds Europe’s leading tech policy ins... by HarryHirsch on Sunday August 01, 2021 @02:51PM (#28028822)
When a researcher receives direct funding they will disclose the source. It gets interesting when the funding source is indirect, let's say the departmental chair is funded through the Mercatus Institute. Of course any new faculty member will not go against the prevailing departmental winds and they need not disclose where the department gets a good chunk of funding from.