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Re:The logic driving China’s big tech clampdown by throwaway4good on Sunday August 01, 2021 @12:24PM (#28027462)
I think this short write up of the problems of consumer internet companies from a (Chinese) societal perspective is extremely on-point and obviously also applies from a western perspective:

https://insider.techbuzzchina.com/c/policies-and-regulations...

1. Companies burning money in an effort to scale up and obtain a monopoly.

2. Using human weaknesses to design products and acquire traffic.

3. Monopolistic online platforms taking asymmetric measures to collect information from users and infringing on their privacy.

4. Discriminatory pricing.

Sometimes I wonder whether we in the west are capable of doing a similar crackdown? Or we have past the point of no return and companies like Facebook, Google, Amazon etc. are simply too powerful and too politically influental?

Re:The logic driving China’s big tech clampdown by refenestrator on Sunday August 01, 2021 @12:37PM (#28027579)
Worth noting that we have different incentives in the US even accounting for different philosophies.

US big tech is globally influential, clipping their wings would reduce that influence. Chinese big tech is generally more about the large Chinese market and diaspora.

Re:The logic driving China’s big tech clampdown by zozbot234 on Sunday August 01, 2021 @02:06PM (#28028507)
TikTok has quite a bit of influence outside China. So it seems that Chinese big tech can compete quite effectively in a global market.
Re:The logic driving China’s big tech clampdown by throwaway4good on Sunday August 01, 2021 @02:30PM (#28028671)
So why did TikTok come out of China and not the US? Maybe it is because the monopoly of Facebook is too strong for alternatives to flourish.

Point is: Even-though American big tech’s dominance is an US advantage, the monopolies still come at a cost.

Re:The logic driving China’s big tech clampdown by seanmcdirmid on Sunday August 01, 2021 @02:28PM (#28028659)
TikTok did, but none of the others except for maybe Alibaba made it. Tiktok is also popular outside of China with a product different from inside China (Douyin) that they acquired from another company after tiktok was released.
Re:The logic driving China’s big tech clampdown by pjc50 on Sunday August 01, 2021 @01:09PM (#28027913)
Would we want a similar crackdown from the duopolistic political side?

The Chinese government can move quickly and decisively because it doesn't have any checks or balances. The US would benefit from a system in which (a) there are clear rules for competition and (b) those rules are enforced, even-handedly; but it's harder than you think to get to that point.

Re:The logic driving China’s big tech clampdown by yaitsyaboi on Sunday August 01, 2021 @12:43PM (#28027646)
It's not like this crackdown is about the CCP's concern for protecting user data and preventing monopolies. It's just a turf war over the data and in a larger sense over control of the direction of the country.

Same reason Jack Ma went (extremely) conspicuously missing last fall.

CCP wants the economic growth and international prestige that a burgeoning tech sector provides, but does not want anything resembling the system we have where facebook can tell the White House to take a hike. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/17/technology/facebook-vacci...