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Re:Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years by mgh2 on Saturday July 31, 2021 @09:19PM (#28022915)
Apple is a master at this. News of its child and slave labor abuses have been brushed off because people love their products.
Re:Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years by gjsman-1000 on Saturday July 31, 2021 @10:05PM (#28023136)
Also because almost every other tech company (Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony, etc.) make their products at the exact same Foxconn factories. Apple just gets the biggest headline.
Re:Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years by arvinsim on Sunday August 01, 2021 @12:33AM (#28023815)
I don't see how that absolves Apple.

Apple gets the bigger headline because of their claim to support environmentalism and human rights.

Re:Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years by kortilla on Sunday August 01, 2021 @03:02AM (#28024376)
It doesn’t absolve Apple but it explains why the headlines don’t stick. There is nothing unique about Apple in this regard and they don’t claim to make the phones anywhere else. Who makes their products are made isn’t even part of their corporate messaging.
Re:Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years by shawnz on Sunday August 01, 2021 @04:21AM (#28024724)
Who said it absolves them? I think the point is just that there is no alternative which can match them without resorting to the same abuses.
Re:Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Saturday July 31, 2021 @10:47PM (#28023404)
Cite sources for that claim please.
Re:Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years by gjsman-1000 on Saturday July 31, 2021 @11:57PM (#28023685)
You can look it up online.

Xbox Series X and S Manufacturer: Flextronics and Foxconn

Nintendo Switch Manufacturer: Foxconn

Sony Manufacturer: PlayStation 5 In-house (my mistake on them). PlayStation 3 and 4 were both made by Foxconn assisting.

But it also applies to others:

Google Pixel 5 Manufacturer: Foxconn

Kindle Manufacturer: Foxconn (Fire Tablets are made in Hong Kong by Quanta due to AOSP Anti-Fork rules)

Nintendo DS Manufacturer: Foxconn

Modern Nokia / HMD Global Devices Manufacturer: Foxconn

Xbox 360 Manufacturer: Foxconn

AMD Threadripper TR4 Socket Manufacturer: Foxconn

And so on. Apple, Foxconn. Because almost everybody uses Foxconn.

So when you see those articles about "Apple factory suicide nets," calling it the whole tech industry's contract manufacturer of choice would have been more apt.

Re:Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years by temp8964 on Sunday August 01, 2021 @12:45AM (#28023853)
Foxconn has lots of factories in lots of different places. Does it matter to specify which factory / place has the problem?
Re:Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years by ben_w on Sunday August 01, 2021 @06:02AM (#28025155)
Perhaps, but unlikely.

I can’t find how many people worked at Foxconn at the time, but right now it’s employing more than the population of any of the smallest eight US states. Wikipedia’s list of suicide rates by state is from a different year than the population, but it looks like those states are about 5 times the population-adjusted rate that Foxconn had.

Wikipedia also says that China’s national suicide rate is difficult to study due to political concerns, before saying the WHO says it was 9.7/100k in 2016. That would mean you should expect closer to 126 suicides per year (in Foxconn’s current workforce), rather than the 14 in 6 months that made the news.

Re:Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years by gjsman-1000 on Sunday August 01, 2021 @10:17AM (#28026383)
Steve Jobs was actually asked in an interview about Foxconn, and while he said suicides are horrible, they aren’t out of line with the general population statistically. Even though that was widely considered unfeeling.
Re:Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years by johannes1234321 on Sunday August 01, 2021 @05:46AM (#28025097)
No, it doesn't matter, as cheap labor in on fab subsidizes the other fabs, even if those would have best working conditions thinkable.
Re:Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years by smoldesu on Saturday July 31, 2021 @10:52PM (#28023420)
Apple probably gets the biggest headline because, of the four companies you listed in total, they're the biggest company.
Re:Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years by ungamedplayer on Saturday July 31, 2021 @11:06PM (#28023482)
I'm like 99% sure my Nintendo is made In Japan, or at least thats what it says on the box.
Re:Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years by gjsman-1000 on Saturday July 31, 2021 @11:59PM (#28023689)
Nope. Nintendo DS was made at Foxconn. Nintendo 3DS was also made at Foxconn. The Wii was made at Foxconn. And Nintendo Switch is made at Foxconn.
Re:Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years by smoldesu on Sunday August 01, 2021 @04:42PM (#28029749)
They're assembled at Foxconn, the components themselves are typically made in much less formidable conditions, if you can believe it.
Re:Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years by alpaca128 on Sunday August 01, 2021 @02:46AM (#28024327)
Maybe you read "designed in Japan" on the box, similar to how Apple likes to print their neat "designed in Cupertino" line on the package.

I read somewhere that 40% of all (consumer) electronic devices worldwide go through Foxconn. Pretty much everyone uses them. Don't see a proud "made in USA" or something like that on the website? Foxconn, most likely.

Re:Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years by fomine3 on Sunday August 01, 2021 @08:50PM (#28031759)
BTW some PS4s are made in Japan
Re:Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years by trissylegs on Saturday July 31, 2021 @09:38PM (#28023022)
Also making a lot money off what is essentially a huge casino. (games that use Addictive Gambling Mechanics to sell Micro-transations)
Re:Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years by dannyw on Sunday August 01, 2021 @01:47AM (#28024092)
What's the net social outcome of this? Would these people be spending money at the casino instead?
Re:Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years by username90 on Sunday August 01, 2021 @02:09AM (#28024186)
No, most people don't have access to casinos. Likely they would spend it on other luxury goods like bar visits, clothes they don't need or more games. Its just a way for games to extract more money from the market without providing any more value than before.

The thing with games is that the box price is extremely under what consumers value them, so selling consumers small bits of the game as micro transactions is the way games extract their actual market value. It doesn't deliver more value than before, but the current monetization better represents the value it delivers to consumers.

Re:Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years by hedora on Sunday August 01, 2021 @03:03AM (#28024382)
That’s a good theory, but everyone I know that’s worked with game microtransaction data says the majority of money comes from a few “whales”.

Some whales clearly suffer mental health issues (just from looking at the timing and amount of the transactions). The remainder are almost exclusively money laundering of some sort (usually converting stolen credit cards to game assets that can be sold for real money).

Re:Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years by imtringued on Sunday August 01, 2021 @06:37AM (#28025292)
Some whales spend $1000 every weekend at the club/bar. They simply have that much money and dont care how they spend it.
Re:Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years by sunshinerag on Saturday July 31, 2021 @10:28PM (#28023287)
That is on android too. So Google too
Re:Blizzard's reputation collapsed in just three years by trissylegs on Sunday August 01, 2021 @05:32AM (#28025049)
It is too. (And Tencent, Epic, Blizzard, Valve, etc)