DNS Privacy Considerations

Re:DNS Privacy Considerations by donmcronald on Saturday July 31, 2021 @01:31PM (#28020070)

IMO the current effort isn't about improving privacy or reducing censorship or a battle to stop tracking. It's a battle for who gets to track you. Winning market share in the DoH space is the same as winning the ability to control one of the only hops where users can be tracked.

I think it's worse than having a ton of crappy ISPs doing DNS. Yeah, they probably sold my data to shady businesses, but DoH has the potential to be a much better mass surveillance and censorship system. Is it easier to get a US court order for Cloudflare and Google to block the pirate bay via DNS or to get 1k court orders from 1k jurisdictions around the world?

And the "benefit" we're going to get as users is un-blockable ads because that's the ultimate goal of DoH. Instead of my Roku trying to use 8.8.8.8 it'll use some DoH server at a CDN that's hard/impossible to block.

They're literally building the next generation surveillance / censorship system and selling it to us as "for your protection".

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Re:DNS Privacy Considerations by ViViDboarder on Saturday July 31, 2021 @05:31PM (#28021728)

> And the "benefit" we're going to get as users is un-blockable ads because that's the ultimate goal of DoH. Instead of my Roku trying to use 8.8.8.8 it'll use some DoH server at a CDN that's hard/impossible to block.

Can you not set the DNS server just as you do today? Or are you rewriting the IP for 8.8.8.8 to a private server and worried that HTTPS will prevent this?

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Re:DNS Privacy Considerations by donmcronald on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @03:53PM (#28053343)

I think 8.8.8.8 is hard coded somewhere in those devices. I can’t remember exactly how it worked, but it’ll ignore the dhcp assigned dns sometimes.

With DoH it’ll be impossible to block and I think there’s a good chance they’ll flat out ignore local dns at that point.

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