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Re:AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them... by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS on Friday July 30, 2021 @11:53PM (#28015135)
Well, back when Harris and Biden both said they were hesitant to get a vaccine produced under Trump, they kinda set the stage for the dumpster fire we have today.
Re:AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them... by gumby on Saturday July 31, 2021 @01:24AM (#28015519)
I was unable to find an article about either of them saying this (and I think I would have seen it). Biden was an early adopter, back in December.
Re:AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them... by beerandt on Saturday July 31, 2021 @03:28AM (#28016150)
That's evidence of media bias, not evidence that it wasn't said.

ETA: Here's Jezebel's pre election coverage of their statements, when everyone still claimed Trump was lying about the vaccine being close.

>On Sunday, during an interview on CNN’s State of the Union, Harris was asked whether she would trust a vaccine doled out by the Trump administration before Election Day.

>“I think that we have learned since this pandemic started, but really before that, that there’s very little that we can trust that comes out of Donald Trump’s mouth,” Harris said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/anti-vaxxer-accuses-...

Re:AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them... by nradov on Saturday July 31, 2021 @05:58PM (#28021889)
Several state governments including California stated that they wouldn't trust FDA vaccine approvals and wanted to do their own safety reviews. That didn't help with public confidence either.

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/10/27/western-states-join-califo...

Re:AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them... by selimthegrim on Friday July 30, 2021 @11:58PM (#28015158)
The point was if he rushed it. The companies delayed their announcement and strengthened the trials so the current Trumpista favorite argument would in theory lose steam.
Re:AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them... by Leparamour on Saturday July 31, 2021 @02:45AM (#28015924)
>The companies delayed their announcement and strengthened the trials so the current Trumpista favorite argument would in theory lose steam.

They [Pfizer] delayed the announcement to three days after the elections. I'm sure those three days were critical in testing and making the vaccine safe for the consumer./s

It was an obvious political move to deny back-then US president Trump a public success as a consequence from him enacting "Operation Warp Speed".[0][1][2]

Also, "Trumpista"? You must feel really clever and enlightened.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2020/nov/20/trump-...

[1] https://outline.com/bH8vBM

[2] https://jewishjournal.com/news/314659/biden-is-backed-by-bot...

Re:AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them... by selimthegrim on Saturday July 31, 2021 @03:55AM (#28016270)
I live in New Orleans where unvaccinated cases are exploding and people in surrounding areas specifically cite Democrats as a reason not to take the vaccine. I’ll stand by my words. And I’m not fan of Pfizer trying to make vaccine policy by press release but didn’t one of the companies turn down Warp Speed money to avoid this perception?
Re:AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them... by nradov on Saturday July 31, 2021 @06:03PM (#28021912)
All of the vaccines used in the US received funding through Operation Warp Speed. J&J and Moderna got R&D money and production orders. Pfizer only got production orders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed?wprov=sfl...

Re:AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them... by throwawayboise on Saturday July 31, 2021 @12:13AM (#28015233)
No. They didn't want Trump to have that "win." It was purely political. The vaccines they are pushing now are the very same ones that were developed and tested while Trump was in office.
Re:AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them... by oezi on Saturday July 31, 2021 @03:04AM (#28016030)
It certainly wasn't purely political. It was based on the idea that the decision to approve the vaccine is the job of the FDA and that they have to pass their safety and effectiveness verdict.

The US FDA was among the first world-wide to approve (Europe was months later) which in my mind shows that there is not much to an argument that political forces delayed the announcement (and how could the opposition / democrats influence a government institution such as the FDA if the ruling party couldn't? Please no deep state bonkers).

> The vaccines they are pushing now are the very same ones that were developed and tested while Trump was in office.

I would challenge that Trump should receive any political credit for supporting the development of the vaccines, because when the development was happening at Moderna (US) and BionTech (Germany) in spring 2020 Trump was still rejecting SARS-COV-19 as irrelevant. Trump should receive credit for Warpspeed that made sure the production of the developed vaccines is happening and is happening in a way that benefits the American people first (to great frustration to many Europeans).

Re:AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them... by beerandt on Saturday July 31, 2021 @03:35AM (#28016189)
>It was based on the idea that the decision to approve the vaccine is the job of the FDA and that they have to pass their safety and effectiveness verdict.

You can't claim they were just following the rules, because they weren't. They bended and broke whatever rules they saw fit to get the vaccine done, including doing multiple phases simultaneously. If the FDA were following the rules, we still wouldn't have a vaccine available, because they still don't have full FDA approval.

>Trump was still rejecting SARS-COV-19 as irrelevant

Trump was called racist by Congressional D's for wanting to shut down the international travel to prevent the spread in February.

Re:AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them... by throwaway_se099 on Saturday July 31, 2021 @06:37AM (#28016939)
The US FDA was among the first world-wide to approve (Europe was months later)

UK MHRA: Dec 2. US FDA: Dec 11. European EMA/EC: Dec 21. Months later? Hyperbole doesn't help your argument.

Re:AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them... by oezi on Saturday July 31, 2021 @07:12AM (#28017073)
I got misled by parent. I knew that Biontech had received EU approval in December but from parents comment understood that in the US the approval came shortly after the elections. Sorry.

Still: don't you think the argument holds: US FDA is one of the first to approve is a sign that there can't be much delay.

Re:AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them... by rhizome on Monday August 02, 2021 @11:15PM (#28045349)
Would you agree that if Trump thought the vaccine was delayed to make him look bad we'd hear him shouting it from the rooftops?
Re:AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them... by selimthegrim on Saturday July 31, 2021 @12:14AM (#28015239)
Do you think if they had announced before the election and Trump had won all the current recalcitrants would be lining up in droves to take it, their concerns about rushing assuaged?
Re:AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them... by throwawayboise on Saturday July 31, 2021 @12:35AM (#28015339)
All of them? No.

I think some on the left would refuse it because Trump.

I think some on the right would accept it because Trump.

I think some would still be hesitant because their concerns with the vaccines are not political.