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Re:Activision Blizzard Hires Notorious Union-Busting Firm Wi... by cratermoon on Thursday July 29, 2021 @01:40PM (#27999140)
What does any of that have to do with whether or not the firm is notorious for union-busting? Representing a polluting corporation against citizens suing it for making them sick is 100% compatible with busting unions.

[Originally I had gotten this backwards and stated that WilmerHale represented the citizens]

Re:Activision Blizzard Hires Notorious Union-Busting Firm Wi... by rl3 on Thursday July 29, 2021 @02:01PM (#27999459)
>What does any of that have to do with whether or not the firm is notorious for union-busting?

I'm wondering the same. I suppose it comes down to the semantics of where notoriety begins, but they're representing some slimy clients regardless.[0]

>Representing citizens in a lawsuit against a polluting corporation is not incompatible with busting unions.

Oh no, they were defending the polluter—Beatrice Foods—against said lawsuits.[1]

[0] https://therevolvingdoorproject.org/jamie-gorelick-amazons-a...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilmer_Cutler_Pickering_Hale_a...

Re:Activision Blizzard Hires Notorious Union-Busting Firm Wi... by cratermoon on Thursday July 29, 2021 @02:39PM (#27999887)
Whoops, I got that 100% wrong. I skimmed the section in wikipedia too fast. Perhaps I could make an argument that, as currently worded, it's a bit too easy to misparse.

I have corrected my original comment.

Re:Activision Blizzard Hires Notorious Union-Busting Firm Wi... by lacker on Thursday July 29, 2021 @02:04PM (#27999490)
Their Wikipedia page doesn't mention anything about union-busting. If you are "notorious" for something in this day and age, it should at least show up in ten paragraphs of Wikipedia.

The main controversy mentioned there is them representing people who are held in Guantanamo under suspicion of terrorism. It seems more like Wilmer Hale is a huge bunch of lawyers doing all sorts of things, than some union-busting hacks.

Re:Activision Blizzard Hires Notorious Union-Busting Firm Wi... by seoaeu on Thursday July 29, 2021 @02:29PM (#27999793)
> If you are "notorious" for something in this day and age, it should at least show up in ten paragraphs of Wikipedia.

That is placing way too much trust in Wiki pages not being manipulated to portray their subjects in an unfairly positive light

Re:Activision Blizzard Hires Notorious Union-Busting Firm Wi... by Terr_ on Thursday July 29, 2021 @02:46PM (#27999923)
Especially when it's on a page which is super-niche and obscure to most people but vitally important to a single company's HR department.
Re:Activision Blizzard Hires Notorious Union-Busting Firm Wi... by sixstringtheory on Thursday July 29, 2021 @03:22PM (#28000302)
Anybody can edit the page to add citations and info. I checked the last year of edits and nobody has done it except for someone, probably based on this news cycle, simply adding the word “anti-union” with no citations, which was of course rightfully reverted.
Re:Activision Blizzard Hires Notorious Union-Busting Firm Wi... by dogorman on Thursday July 29, 2021 @02:36PM (#27999859)
10 paragraphs? That's your standard? What a joke! The Exxon Valdez only gets three sentences on Exxon's wikipedia page. It costs peanuts to bribe a wikipedian editor to manage your corporation's reputation and suppress controversies on wikipedia. This is standard practice. How anybody thinks a corporation's wikipedia page is neutral territory is beyond me.
Re:Activision Blizzard Hires Notorious Union-Busting Firm Wi... by sixstringtheory on Thursday July 29, 2021 @03:26PM (#28000333)
I read their statement as “there should be some mention of the notoriety within 10 paragraphs,” not that there should be 10 paragraphs that explain it.

You can also look at the edit history of a page. Are there unethical removals of information there, in your opinion? You can even link to the edit that removed them, like this one that removed some juvenile vandalism: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/102148089...

Re:Activision Blizzard Hires Notorious Union-Busting Firm Wi... by Gracana on Thursday July 29, 2021 @03:21PM (#28000294)
That paragraph calls it "one of the worst oil spills in American history," and links to an entire article about it. What underhanded editing do you think has happened here?
Re:Activision Blizzard Hires Notorious Union-Busting Firm Wi... by dogorman on Thursday July 29, 2021 @03:58PM (#28000706)
The decision to only have three sentences about it. The decision to hide those three sentences under the "History" heading so there is no hint of it in the table of contents. The decision to not even have a "Controversies" section to the page. The decision to not have any photographs of the aftermath. Don't be so credulous. Wikipedians have been caught selling their PR services numerous times before, and doubtlessly get away with it even more often than that.

Contrast this with what BP's page looks like and it's obvious Exxon payed top dollar while BP's PR team cheaped out (gave up?). BP's page has a paragraph dedicated to the Deepwater spill in the introduction section, has a "Violations and accidents" section in the table of contents, and has "Deepwater Horizon explosion and oil spill" in the table of contents as well. And that section? It has a dozen or so paragraphs, not just three lame sentences. The page has several photographs of the aftermath. BP's page looks like an authentic wikipedia page, while Exxon's page was obviously bought and paid for by Exxon's PR. Exxon's page should look like BP's, but doesn't.

And since you mention the article dedicated to the spill, lets compare those too. The Deep Water Horizon page is 4 times as long. The Deep Water Horizon page gets prominent links from BP's main page, at the top of the section titled "Deepwater Horizon explosion and oil spill"

> Main article: Deepwater Horizon oil spill

> See also: Deepwater Horizon explosion, Deepwater Horizon litigation, and Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill Trust

BP's page also has an infobox all about the spill: "This article is part of a series about the Deepwater Horizon oil spill"

Exxon's page? The link for the spill's dedicated page is hidden as the 4th link in one of the three sentences that page has about the spill:

> On March 24, 1989, in what is regarded as one of the worst oil spills in American history,[9] a tanker owned by Exxon, the Exxon Valdez, crashed into Bligh Reef, [[Exxon Valdez oil spill|spilling]] its cargo of over ten million gallons of crude oil into the Prince William Sound in Alaska

What an absolute fucking joke. I can't believe you defend this.

Re:Activision Blizzard Hires Notorious Union-Busting Firm Wi... by Gracana on Thursday July 29, 2021 @05:24PM (#28001665)
I remain unconvinced. You didn't actually provide any examples of the Exxon article being edited nefariously. And the reason the BP article is better is because their PR people gave up? Nah.

They're both awful companies doing terrible things to the earth. I don't need to believe in your wikipedia conspiracy to have a low opinion of them.

Re:Activision Blizzard Hires Notorious Union-Busting Firm Wi... by dogorman on Friday July 30, 2021 @11:59AM (#28009373)
The BP and Exxon pages are like night and day. If you don't see a fundamental difference between the two, you have your head buried firmly in the sand.
Re:Activision Blizzard Hires Notorious Union-Busting Firm Wi... by aksss on Thursday July 29, 2021 @02:23PM (#27999723)
If you're someone who craves moral certainty at the expense of honest inquiry, a person/company/historical figure cannot be both virtuous and flawed. They must be all one or all the other.