The claim was easy: no money on bullshit, we got actual problems that do need resources. Our tax systems are open. Go and check it yourself.

Some spending is "spent this or spend nothing". This isn't one of those cases, this is "spend on this now or spend other money later", because if you don't spend money on limiting how far-right extremists recruit young people, then eventually a bomb explodes somewhere.

Coping with that bomb isn't voluntary. There are proverbs something along the lines of "a penny of prevention is worth a pound of cure", they didn't become proverbs by lacking truth.

Think deeper...

If there was less tax and people would have more money to spend, the "far rights" extremists would have less supporters and followers.

If the European institutions and national government would give a better use to the money, like improving citizen everyday life and issues or education, there would also be less "far rights" extremists.

And the funniest and worse point, is that a common complaint of some "far right" extremists is especially that European and international institutions are a waste of their money, and providing in exchange just limitations to what national governments can do. So, on that count also, better spending of our tax money would improve the situation more than this bullshit report.

Would you mind explaining to me why would work? I mean how you can know this would work without studying the issue?

These aren’t related facts by any terms. Cataloguing as far right young people criticizing the cultural establishment is just a sinister way to censor independent thought. That aside almost all terrorism belongs to far left extremists, even religious extremist believe they are far left.

The extreme left needs an enemy and tries to find evidence somewhere else, they behave like conservative on the 50s did.

What? This has no basis in reality. What religious extremists call themselves left? They are normally radical conservatives and eschew progressive "leftist" ideals.

The left made up with communism and matured, focusing instead on social justice. The right didn't do the same with nazism. When the white majority feels cornered by progressive ideals, white supremacy grows.

We just mourned the 10 year anniversary of the Utøja massacre where a radicalized nationalist killed at over 60 children. Their only crime was being socialists. Several phychologists had to work him until they realized he wasn't crazy. He just believed the far right conspiracies like cultural Marxism, eurabia and white genocide. This is not a game.

Look through the years, even if recently right wing took over your major domestic terrorists are left wing. Like everywhere.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-u...

Islamic terrorists who want to push a caliphate want Arabic socialism like other African countries already enjoy nowadays with not much economical success or individual freedom. The same could you see in Spanish ETA who identified themselves as left wing “liberation” army that cost thousand of deaths and hundreds of thousands exiled. And I could continue for hours: even if exceptionally you may find right wing organizations, which do exist, these are not the majority.

And I could continue with the rest of things you said but I think refuting your main points is enough and I don’t want to speak more about politics. I made Some observations which some people seem to not share. I don’t care about the negative vote mafia organized to promote topics and ideas on HN, it happens with everything, to promote blogs, programming languages, services, functional programming…

Some people like to think by themselves and make their own analysis of the situation rather than buy the influencer opinion du jour.

This report is the typical lobby crap we see every single day in Europe, and that happens on almost any topic, then it will be later used to make a headline on a news paper connected to a political party related to the ones who financed them. That’s how politics works on Brussels recently and how some ideas are pushed to the mass, and to be honest some people is just too tired of such constant manipulation, independently of the contents or it’s accuracy which is a topic I don’t want to discuss much (in spite of our initial encounter).

I hope I made my point clear.

How much tax one pays is largely dependend on one's income.

If you believe that manipulation and misinformation on the internet is not an actual problem then I don't know what to say

It affected shitton of people about covid/vacciness related stuff

It's one of the biggest challenges nowadays

Iran regime just passed a law "to protect internet users", which pretty much censors everythings, makes VPN use even more difficult, etc. They are pretty much using your own arguments: "misinformation on the internet is an actual problem, let's PROTECT our citizens from it". :)

>They are pretty much using your own arguments:

So what? blame the implementation detail and people behind it then

It just shows that the argument stands, becaues it's an actual problem and I'd rather do not have to argue with my parents about Bill Gates creating covid to inject 5G chips

and no, it's no joke and it's sad.

None of that was the topic here. It is about propaganda and how far left tries to not lose the control of the counterculture, and, it is already gone. Counterculture nowadays does not belong to the far left anymore.

Easy, France for example contribute around 26 BILLIONS euros to European institutions.

It is a shitload of money in my opinion.

There are around 70 millions inhabitants in France, only around 18% of households pay income tax. But, in fact, only 10% of the households are contributing for around 70% of the income tax.

Great way to avoid answering the question ( the money which France contributes still is not your money ).

And this 26 Billion, is this 'netto' or 'bruto' ?

"Help yourself" but take care that the contributions have increased a lot in the last year and i don't find a link in English for 2020 or 2021.

(in 2019) https://www.statista.com/statistics/316691/eu-budget-contrib...

(in 2017) https://www.statista.com/chart/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-...

My estimation is that my personal contribution to Europe should be between 500 € to 2000 € a year.

Sure, not all money is wasted, hopefully, but still if you accumulate all bullshit jobs and reports like this one over a year, this is still a shit load of money that you be put in better usage.

Note: I don't say that all europe jobs and reports are bullshits, are the opposite, a lot of them are quite good, and most of the time of better usage and quality than european national governments in my opinion.

So from your 2017 source ( that is what we have easily available ) :

France 'contributed' ~ € 7.5 Billon netto to the EU.

Which is something totally different than € 26 Billion. And it still isn't your money.

As I told you, take care, because it raised a lot since 2017.

Here is a link in French, but at least you will have an evolution graph with 2021:

https://www.ifrap.org/europe-et-international/contribution-d...

The other netto of the other link is not "justified", not official documents, but let's suppose it is correct, and that it evolved in proportion, we would be at least, as of today, at 11 Billions NET.

That is still quite a number.

But you don't stop repeating that it is not my money as a French tax payer, can you explicit what you mean? because so far you just say that "as a fact" and it does not make any sense!