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Re:Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S... by ReadEvalPost on Thursday July 29, 2021 @03:42AM (#27993936)
Evolutionary pressure selects for less deadly viruses over time. You're right though, there is still longitudinal risk as this does not preclude a vastly more deadly strain--but at that point the effectiveness of a vaccine is similarly unknown.
Re:Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S... by intended on Thursday July 29, 2021 @04:04AM (#27994058)
COVID spreads most in the few days before and after the appearance of symptoms. Organ failure, lethality, are largely due to the immune response to the virus.

The virus has little evolutionary pressure to be less lethal. COVID has already spread before the symptoms appear.

Re:Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S... by Pyramus on Thursday July 29, 2021 @04:33AM (#27994210)
> Evolutionary pressure selects for less deadly viruses over time.

I'm hearing that for the first time, do you have a source?

> longitudinal risk

With longitudinal I meant the risk of what we have labelled 'long Covid' but really seems to be a conglomerate of different, sometimes chronic diseases in different people, that we still don't really know how to treat effectively (not very frequent in absolute terms, but orders of magnitude more frequent than any serious side effects we have observed due to the vaccines).

So if I understand you correctly, what you are fearing is that there is some unknown risk about the mRNA vaccine, that will only reveal itself over time, but that we have no idea about the mechanism of action nor any actual cases. Is that right?

Re:Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S... by tpxl on Thursday July 29, 2021 @05:11AM (#27994413)
>> Evolutionary pressure selects for less deadly viruses over time.

> I'm hearing that for the first time, do you have a source?

A virus that kills its host before it has a chance to infect others cannot reproduce.

I cannot remember which virus it was (might have been ebola) but it wiped whole communities so fast it died off because there were no new hosts to infect.

Re:Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S... by Pyramus on Thursday July 29, 2021 @05:45AM (#27994595)
Not sure if that's what parent meant - these are extreme cases. In general (e.g. in the case of SARS-Cov2) evolutionary pressure will increase transmissibility but is indifferent to lethality (again up to the extreme point where lethality precludes transmission).
Re:Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S... by tpxl on Friday July 30, 2021 @06:14AM (#28006386)
Won't any amount of lethality preclude some transmission?
Re:Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S... by Pyramus on Friday July 30, 2021 @06:56AM (#28006629)
In general no, as was remarked in a sibling comment in this thread: SARS-Cov-2 on average spreads within the first 1-4 days after infection (viral titers peak on day 2 I believe), so the virus is indifferent to what happens after.

I also want to remark that there is the opposite effect that transmissibility correlates strongly with viral load (amount of viral particles) and viral load correlates weakly with lethality.