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Re:Toyota has stepped up lobbying to preserve its investment... by cmrdporcupine on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @12:29PM (#27985715)
Exactly. GM showed with a Volt that a PHEV could be effectively a BEV 90% of the time and perform excellently even when falling back into ICE mode, but the Prime came out after the Volt and its drivetrain is inferior in every way to it. I understand the Prime is roomier and so on, but in terms of drivetrain it's woefully inferior.

As a Volt and Mitsu Outlander PHEV owner I obviously have nothing against the PHEV concept. But just comparing the two I can say that the Volt is more of a BEV with high quality range extension, while our Outlander is just a soft hybrid that can only sometimes use the battery exclusively. Pretty much all the PHEVs (including the Prime) are like that, and they gave the whole concept of PHEV a bad name.

EDIT: the Outlander has other attributes that make it innovative and good for us, though, such as its AWD system which uses dual electric motors, negating the need for a longitudinal shaft and differential etc.

Re:Toyota has stepped up lobbying to preserve its investment... by Causality1 on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @01:31PM (#27986525)
My ideal vehicle would be a Volt made by Toyota. I have several mechanic friends and all have warned me against buying any GM vehicle, especially one with as complex a drive system as a Volt.
Re:Toyota has stepped up lobbying to preserve its investment... by cmrdporcupine on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @01:42PM (#27986762)
The drivetrain in the Volt is exceedingly reliable. Like, 0 problems for most people. There's almost no maintenance required.

Other things in the car are the issue. Stupid things like the infamous "shift to park" issue (crappy $2 switch in the shifter mechanism so it doesn't recognize that you're in park even when you're mechanically in park and complains when you turn it off). Or just generally typically mediocre Chevy interior, etc.

Still love driving mine, I'd have a hard time giving it up. It somehow feels very sporty. I find Toyota's very boring to drive.

Re:Toyota has stepped up lobbying to preserve its investment... by thinkling on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @01:13PM (#27986248)
My impression is that GM had trouble making the Voltec drive train work in larger cars. The Volt is a low-slung, very aerodynamic car. As soon as you turn that into a crossover (as they were rumored to be doing) or a small SUV, both range and gas mileage are going to suffer.

It's too bad. We have a Volt and I would have loved the same drivetrain in a car with more ground clearance and a bit more cargo space.

Re:Toyota has stepped up lobbying to preserve its investment... by fomine3 on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @08:16PM (#27991346)
I assume US drivers drives more miles than drivers in other country. Possibly such PHEV is mainly designed for outside US.