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Re:Please Bring Back Our Downvotes: Society Desperately Need... by merpnderp on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @11:49AM (#27985219)
But that's my point, none of these studies ever cite a utility's actual costs. When I got curious and looked at what the actual cost to the utility (not counting any federal rebates) just their actual outlays, versus how much power was generated over the year, it was ridiculous.

And the easy way to know this is true is that utilities are still building nat-gas plants. It's not like they love nat-gas, they love money and profits. If wind was actually cheaper than fuel, they'd just be over building wind farms so that no new nat-gas plants were needed.

Re:Please Bring Back Our Downvotes: Society Desperately Need... by dane-pgp on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @06:48PM (#27990753)
> just their actual outlays

My instinct is that you're not including the cost of the fuel, or maybe the two types of plants have different financing models that are hard to compare directly, but I wouldn't be qualified to check your results even if you presented all the data.

> It's not like they love nat-gas, they love money and profits.

Doesn't this logic cut both ways? If wind energy was so expensive, then no one would be building wind farms.

Re:Please Bring Back Our Downvotes: Society Desperately Need... by merpnderp on Thursday July 29, 2021 @09:16AM (#27996145)
> My instinct is that you're not including the cost of the fuel

The docs seemed pretty clear that they were the operating costs of the installation. I had to find the install cost and the operating costs separately.

> Doesn't this logic cut both ways? If wind energy was so expensive, then no one would be building wind farms.

That's a good point, but there is also an enormous amount of pressure to go carbon free and these power companies answer to several regulatory bodies all with enormous power of their operations. It's not unreasonable to believe there are requirements to move to wind for continued licensing.