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Re:Please Bring Back Our Downvotes: Society Desperately Need... by tomjen3 on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @11:28AM (#27984957)
>In reality, crazy unfair downvote bombing is not even close to the norm here in my ~decade of experience. What makes you certain that someone with multiple accounts has downvoted you?

If you write a comment that is against what the majority of the site beliefs you will be downvoted. If you agree with the majority you probably won't have experienced this.

I know that if I make a comment that is positive of bitcoin it will get to -3 or -4 in a very short time and then in a few days it will get to +2 or +3.

I don't know that it is a specific group of people who do that, but it is consistent enough that I can pretty much count on it happening every time, and clearly since it earned more upvotes than downvotes the community did consider the comment somewhat valuable.

Granted you get hammered much harder on r/politics or r/news, but the problem is the same.

The solution is also pretty obvious: randomly review downvoted comments and if they are downvoted for disagreement and not merrit, ban the people who downvoted it from future voting. For new users shadow the votes for a while to be sure they understand the community[0].

[0]: No democracy permits people to move there and vote right away. For native born citizens they have to wait 18 years to get the vote.

Re:Please Bring Back Our Downvotes: Society Desperately Need... by detaro on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @11:31AM (#27984991)
> The solution is also pretty obvious: randomly review downvoted comments and if they are downvoted for disagreement and not merrit, ban the people who downvoted it from future voting. For new users shadow the votes for a while to be sure they understand the community[0].

Even if you could objectively review that, HN doesn't have a rule against downvoting for disagreement, pg decided it was acceptable very early on and it hasn't been changed. (although plenty people think it should)

Re:Please Bring Back Our Downvotes: Society Desperately Need... by ryandrake on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @01:05PM (#27986143)
> I know that if I make a comment that is positive of bitcoin it will get to -3 or -4 in a very short time and then in a few days it will get to +2 or +3.

This down-then-up pattern happens on all sorts of topics here. Almost everything I post gets a few downvotes within two minutes or so, then inevitably crawls back upward as people actually read what's said. One change suggestion I'd have for HN is to disallow downvotes within some time of posting, like 30 minutes, give people a chance to read it, and decide whether it is truly not contributing to the conversation.

Re:Please Bring Back Our Downvotes: Society Desperately Need... by underseacables on Thursday July 29, 2021 @12:19AM (#27992743)
That solution is absolutely horrible. Now you’re asking a moderator to decide what has merit and what does not. Who are they to decide? If I down vote something, I don’t want someone coming behind me and saying you know what this down vote doesn’t have merit, so I’m going to ban him. Imagine if we did that in the workplace. Your disagreement doesn’t have merit so I’m going to exclude you from now on from these meetings. The older I get the more I feel that the people who are upset about their comments getting down voted, somehow need their opinions validated, or maybe it’s anxiety, but there’s something deeper going on beyond just a comment on a message board. What you’re suggesting is completely counter to a democratic society.
Re:Please Bring Back Our Downvotes: Society Desperately Need... by tomjen3 on Thursday July 29, 2021 @09:13AM (#27996112)
I am not proposing this for a democratic society, but for a message board. The goal of a message board could be to be democratic, or it could be to fulfill the idea of the guy paying to keep it running.

I assumed the latter, because those places tend to be places worth sticking around, and because this is definitely where HN falls in.

Re:Please Bring Back Our Downvotes: Society Desperately Need... by Akronymus on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @11:50AM (#27985232)
> If you write a comment that is against what the majority of the site beliefs you will be downvoted.

I don't think this is a regular occurence on HN. But on reddit? All day every day.

Personally, I often upvote posts I disagree with, because it is a good discussion starter or just generally a good comment/discussion/disagreement.