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Re:Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after... by mizzack on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @12:10PM (#27974119)
It didn't help that the WHO released the updated guidelines the day Biden was inaugurated.

For that reason alone it became another thought-terminating political topic -- you're either dismissed as a conspiracy theorist for correlating these events, or you're dismissing the value of the vaccine rollout/lockdowns/other measures, or you're a sheep following the dominant media narrative.

Re:Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after... by kook_throwaway on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @02:16PM (#27975646)
That definitely smelled like an intentional muddying of the waters.
Re:Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after... by beerandt on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @02:12PM (#27975617)
It's harder to dismiss when you also consider the first vaccine approvals kept getting delayed until they were released immediately after the election.
Re:Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after... by javagram on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @05:32PM (#27977924)
Note that it was hardly “delayed” since all initial predictions for the vaccine to be approved were around 12 months, in the end it only took about 10 months.

Reports last year indicated Trump’s own FDA was responsible for setting out the needed time for data gathering and review that pushed it into mid-November. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-okays-fda-months...

Meanwhile other countries including China and Russia didn’t approve their own vaccines faster, seeming to indicate the timeline had little to do with U.S. politics.

Re:Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after... by areyousure on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @08:25PM (#27979152)
Re:Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after... by javagram on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @12:47AM (#27980334)
As your article notes, Russia was similar to allowing people to join the phase 3 trial. It was not a widespread deployment of vaccines and was not analogous to the EUA for Pfizer and moderna. “In effect, Russia will be conducting its Phase 3 trials live, treating it more as a demonstrator group than a control group meant to ensure there is nothing dangerous awaiting the larger population.

The first two phases involved just a few dozen volunteers.

Phase 3 trials will be conducted not only in Russia but in partner countries including the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia, Dmitriev said in Tuesday's statement.”

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sputnik_V_COVID-19_vaccine#Aut... the first authorizations outside Russia occurred in December 2020.

Similarly for the Chinese vaccine it took time for the trial results to arrive. Sinovac was approved for general use in February 2021, months after the FDA had authorized Moderna and Pfizer vaccines. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3120855/covi...

Re:Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after... by CogitoCogito on Thursday July 29, 2021 @12:53PM (#27998572)
Aren't their vaccines significantly less effective than Moderna, Pfizer, etc.? In that case, I'm not sure we should let their earlier release reflect negatively on those that took longer to be ready. On the contrary, maybe we should instead consider the possibility that the Russian and Chinese vaccines were rushed.
Re:Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after... by jimmygrapes on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @06:13PM (#27978332)
It is worth considering that maybe Sinovac (and whatever the Russian one(s) is/are called) may have been released far earlier than they would have been if the U.S. and others had not developed their own faster. Think of space wars - even if you lose the race to first, you still want to be in 2nd vs 500th. If they were developed at a more traditional pace, would they be more effective? Would any of them be? And what would be the consequences of waiting? Would it be millions more deaths, or would natural herd immunity emerge? Both? Would the more virulent variants have appeared without a marginally effective strain evolving as a result of marginally effective vaccines?
Re:Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after... by javagram on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @01:07AM (#27980440)
The alpha variant (B117) emerged in the UK in November 2020, there’s no indication it had anything to do with vaccines. The delta variant (B.1.617) was detected in India in October 2020. So saying the vaccines caused these variants to evolve would suggest that vaccination also has a time-travel component?
Re:Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after... by vmception on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @06:59PM (#27978643)
Things that occur after the election, such as changing testing standards, do not affect the election

so what does correlating these events have to do with anything while ignoring verifiable causation, such as the WHO already having documents about these changes going back to September 2020