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Re:About the security content of iOS 14.7.1 and iPadOS 14.7.1 by haswell on Monday July 26, 2021 @10:27PM (#27967951)
There’s a saying about cake that seems to apply here.

Again, there are other options for both. Android wear devices are still a thing, and there are multiple options that aren’t SMS that are available to the Android ecosystem.

If you want to live in the Apple ecosystem, that comes with some tradeoffs. Can’t have it both ways.

Re:About the security content of iOS 14.7.1 and iPadOS 14.7.1 by sudosysgen on Monday July 26, 2021 @11:40PM (#27968364)
Actually, there isn't. It's perfectly possible to be able to have a process to request bootloader unlocks from Apple, and also be able to use the ecosystem.

The entire point of the saying that you can't have your cake and eat it too is that, well, it can't be both in your hands and in your stomach. But it's perfectly possible for me to be able to call Apple and get a bootloader unlock code, without any other change to anything.

Re:About the security content of iOS 14.7.1 and iPadOS 14.7.1 by haswell on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @09:56AM (#27972493)
The general point behind the proverb boils down to "you can't have it both ways" or "you can't have the best of two worlds".

That's essentially what the parent comment is trying to do. When offered the Android ecosystem as an alternative, the counterpoint was to lament the lack of Apple Watch and iMessage support in the Android ecosystem.

This is textbook "I want it both ways".

Re:About the security content of iOS 14.7.1 and iPadOS 14.7.1 by jonny_eh on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:30PM (#27975110)
While it's literally impossible to have cake and to have eaten it, it's not impossible to have a good phone and a hackable one, in a single device.
Re:About the security content of iOS 14.7.1 and iPadOS 14.7.1 by haswell on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @07:06PM (#27978680)
The cake thing was in response to you wanting Apple Watch and iMessage…on Android.

This is the definition of wanting it both ways.

I don’t think anyone would argue that it’s technically impossible, but that should not be mistaken with “practically impossible” given Apple’s business model.

Re:About the security content of iOS 14.7.1 and iPadOS 14.7.1 by jonny_eh on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @12:59PM (#27986051)
I don't want iMessage on Android, I want a hackable phone that supports iMessage too. I realize that's not really possible now, but it's not a logical impossibility, like being alive and dead at the same time.