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Re:TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe c... by rattray on Monday July 26, 2021 @02:16PM (#27963044)
Is that 750 EUR for an individual or a family? Sounds like a lot.

For comparison in California, a 35-year-old SF resident earning $250k/yr living alone purchasing insurance through the public marketplace can get a Platinum-level Kaiser Permanente HMO plan for around $650/mo (but over $2000/mo for a family of four).

YMMV but I've found KP's service quality to be extremely high, and that plan comes with $0 annual deductible and very low copays.

Re:TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe c... by domsom on Monday July 26, 2021 @03:01PM (#27963745)
It's 14.6 % of the gross income, capped around 58k income / year. Half of that (7.3 %) is paid by the employer, the other half by the employee (deducted from monthly wage payments).

For that, kids (no matter how many) are covered unless the other parent has a private insurance. Spouses are covered if they don't have their own insurance.

Based in Germany, I'd say the best part of it is that it's truly social: The healthy ones pay for the sick ones, all with the same tariff, no questions asked. That's especially true for people who become sick, old, or both: For them, private insurances tend to raise their tariffs exponentially, and there's no way to get an affordable insurance any longer.

Re:TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe c... by rattray on Monday July 26, 2021 @03:15PM (#27963987)
Ah, so more like 350€/yr, including all dependents, for an employed person. That is a much better deal than (self-employed) KP, assuming the quality is good!
Re:TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe c... by wheels on Monday July 26, 2021 @03:53PM (#27964523)
No, nowhere closed to that. There seems to be some confusion because Americans tend to quote things in yearly rates, while Germans tend to quote things in monthly rates. I pay just over €10k/year for my public health insurance in Germany, which is the maximum rate. (I'm self-employed, so I pay the full rate.) But that covered my whole family (wife and two kids) when my wife wasn't working. Now that she's a full-time employee, she pays around half of that (because her employer pays the other half).
Re:TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe c... by rattray on Monday July 26, 2021 @07:57PM (#27967008)
Ah, ok. Thanks for the more apples-to-apples comparison. Sounds like the high-end California equivalent would be around $25k/yr, more than twice as much for a high-income self-employed head of household.
Re:TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe c... by wheels on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @06:02AM (#27970618)
A couple other interesting points:

- You get that same coverage level at any income.

- There's no co-pay on anything (with some exceptions for higher-end elective dental work, e.g. if you want an implant instead of a bridge). What something costs is never a factor in treatment. The doctors simply decide what they think is appropriate.

- Prices, again, at the same coverage level, drop down to next to nothing if you have no income. I paid €1,400/year when I was living on savings and starting my company.

Re:TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe c... by rattray on Monday July 26, 2021 @07:54PM (#27966994)
350€/mo*
Re:TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe c... by TMWNN on Monday July 26, 2021 @02:38PM (#27963395)
>YMMV but I've found KP's service quality to be extremely high

Multiple studies have shown that Kaiser is more efficient and effective than the UK NHS for about the same cost.

Examples:

* https://www.bmj.com/content/324/7330/135

* https://www.bmj.com/content/327/7426/1257

Re:TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe c... by rattray on Monday July 26, 2021 @03:11PM (#27963919)
Fascinating! Thank you for sharing those 2002/2003 articles. For completeness, it looks like a 2004 rebuttal claims that this is due to a healthier population: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1266198/ but frankly that does confirm that relatively healthy, employed populations would prefer Kaiser to the NHS.