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Re:Toyota is quietly pushing Congress to slow the shift to e... by nradov on Monday July 26, 2021 @01:56PM (#27962721)
Range isn't the problem, lack of charging stations is. Drive around any city at night and look how many cars are parked overnight on streets and in parking lots with no chargers anywhere near. That infrastructure can be built but it will take decades.
Re:Toyota is quietly pushing Congress to slow the shift to e... by rcMgD2BwE72F on Monday July 26, 2021 @02:37PM (#27963382)
Not true. You don't need to charge everywhere you park. One can park at home, at the office or at the mall. One is enough, and once a week, too. So that's already less than 7%. And since the vast majority of households have a plug at home, you can probably divide that by 3.
Re:Toyota is quietly pushing Congress to slow the shift to e... by fredophile on Monday July 26, 2021 @03:27PM (#27964168)
I disagree. You're overlooking the psychological aspects. Range anxiety is real. You might not need to charge up more than once a week but if you're down to 1 day or less of range do you really want to count on the fact that there is a free charger available when you get to your destination? I live in a condo so charging at home isn't an option. If I had an EV I'd probably start to get anxious when it gets down to somewhere around 1/3 of the charge left.
Re:Toyota is quietly pushing Congress to slow the shift to e... by ygjb on Monday July 26, 2021 @10:34PM (#27967997)
> I live in a condo so charging at home isn't an option. Why not? Why not join your strata or hmo board and change that?

Why not lobby your local jurisdiction to add these kind of requirements to new construction, or pass by-laws or laws at the right level to require condo buildings to allow individuals to install chargers?

All of these complaints are passive and indicate that you don't have agency in this situation. These types of changes don't happen unless people push back against the status quo.

I am always shocked when I see so many people participating on a message board that is designed for people who want to move fast and break things just... accept... the way the world around them is.

Re:Toyota is quietly pushing Congress to slow the shift to e... by fredophile on Monday July 26, 2021 @11:58PM (#27968453)
Lobbying for it in new construction doesn't help my situation. I could convince the HOA to install chargers in all the parking spots but that would lead to a big special assessment and raise the HOA fees to cover the increased electricity use. That seems like a big hassle for the option to charge at home if I still live in the building several years from now when I replace my current car.
Re:Toyota is quietly pushing Congress to slow the shift to e... by philwelch on Monday July 26, 2021 @03:34PM (#27964276)
The vast majority of detached houses can charge an EV at home, assuming you either own it or have a landlord willing to let you install the charging equipment.
Re:Toyota is quietly pushing Congress to slow the shift to e... by Consultant32452 on Monday July 26, 2021 @02:11PM (#27962958)
That's okay if it takes decades because the average age of vehicles on the road today is 12 years. It's going to take a LONG time to convert everyone over.
Re:Toyota is quietly pushing Congress to slow the shift to e... by fattire on Monday July 26, 2021 @02:05PM (#27962856)
Why would it take decades?
Re:Toyota is quietly pushing Congress to slow the shift to e... by nradov on Monday July 26, 2021 @02:28PM (#27963243)
Equipment costs, limited city budgets, permit process, labor availability, local transformer capacity, etc.
Re:Toyota is quietly pushing Congress to slow the shift to e... by theshrike79 on Monday July 26, 2021 @03:25PM (#27964142)
A charging station costs an order of magnitude less than a petrol station

Why would cities need to pay a dime for charging infrastructure? There are commercial vendors doing just fine.

Which do you think is the hardest to get a permit for? 1) underground tank for thousands of gallons of explosive liquid that's bad for the environment if it leaks 2) overground tank of pressurised explosive gas known for its ability to leak out of every container 3) a big-ass electric socket

As for labor, you need an electrician with a high voltage certificate. Not a exactly rare, hard to train, commodity. Maybe a dude with a backhoe to dig the wires.

Local transformer capacity is highly variable, some areas might have issues, others might not. A charging station can bring stability to unstable networks if paired with a battery bank to offset the load. (And maybe even make $$ by charging it during low load and feed back during peak hours).