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Re:Finland provides housing and counseling to the homeless (... by ghufran_syed on Sunday July 25, 2021 @01:27PM (#27951089)
Not quite true in California - being "gravely disabled" also justifies involuntary detainment and treatment: "A condition in which a person, as a result of a mental health disorder, is unable to provide for his or her basic personal needs for food, clothing, or shelter."

In reality though, the lack of funding for such people means that only the most severe are treated under this category. What's required is the funding and political will to enforce it, the necessary legal structure is already in place.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio...

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Re:Finland provides housing and counseling to the homeless (... by swearwolf on Sunday July 25, 2021 @02:37PM (#27951697)
From what I’ve heard from mental health professionals, in practice simply being able to answer some very basic questions (like “Are you hungry? If so, what should you do?”) with plausible answers (“I should eat”) is sufficient to pass the “gravely disabled” test.
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Re:Finland provides housing and counseling to the homeless (... by AlexTWithBeard on Sunday July 25, 2021 @01:59PM (#27951367)
> "A condition in which a person, as a result of a mental health disorder, is unable to provide for his or her basic personal needs for food, clothing, or shelter."

Wait a minute. Does it also apply to all these infamous unemployed college graduates who still live with parents?

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Re:Finland provides housing and counseling to the homeless (... by kayodelycaon on Sunday July 25, 2021 @02:18PM (#27951516)
This really isn’t funny or comparable. Unemploymed college graduates do not lack the capacity to do these things, they have a choice to do them or not do them.

People with mental health issues that compromise their ability to care for themselves don’t have a choice.

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Re:Finland provides housing and counseling to the homeless (... by AlexTWithBeard on Sunday July 25, 2021 @02:27PM (#27951603)
Not funny, indeed, but how do we tell people who "can, but don't want" from those who want, but cannot care for themselves?
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Re:Finland provides housing and counseling to the homeless (... by kayodelycaon on Sunday July 25, 2021 @04:11PM (#27952501)
In most cases, that’s fairly easy to tell by looking at their history, current living situation, and cognitive abilities.

Also, are those who are lazy really the majority case here? Or a straw man being used to justify ignoring the problem?

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