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Re:NSO Group CEO says law-abiding citizens have 'nothing to ... by ipaddr on Saturday July 24, 2021 @04:21PM (#27944137)
Where do we end up? Anyone who sells a knife is charged for any murder committed with that brand of knife. Does that mean anyone buying a knife has to sign a form releasing the company from legal issues that may arise?
Re:NSO Group CEO says law-abiding citizens have 'nothing to ... by thr0w4w4y1001 on Saturday July 24, 2021 @04:45PM (#27944323)
Most knives are not intended to harm or kill, they just happen to be used for that case sometimes; you can make the same argument for a large stick wielded by someone with the intent to kill. Handguns however have one purpose: to kill someone (aside: saying "but wait they can be used in gun ranges" kinda proves that point). They were explicitly produced for this purpose. Ideally gun manufacturers would be held accountable for their production; unfortunately they are not, and gun companies just throw up their hands and say "well this gun was legally sold so I can't help you". Likewise, if you produce and sell a piece of software whose main goal is to infiltrate personal devices, especially in a targeted manner, then you are ideally liable for outcomes regardless of who applies your software. NSO is giving the exact same response as those gun companies.
Re:NSO Group CEO says law-abiding citizens have 'nothing to ... by judge2020 on Saturday July 24, 2021 @04:55PM (#27944401)
NSO would argue that the software in question is only intended for use against terrorists and criminals. Gun companies argue that they’re not designed to take human life. Who draws the line on when a company is lying about the intended purpose of products? You?
Re:NSO Group CEO says law-abiding citizens have 'nothing to ... by thr0w4w4y1001 on Saturday July 24, 2021 @05:00PM (#27944431)
Unfortunately those that draw that line in reality are the same people who want encryption banned for consumers but not government agencies because it prevents the sharing of child pornography and terrorism make that decision. Are they right? Is that the only argument that matters?
Re:NSO Group CEO says law-abiding citizens have 'nothing to ... by ILMostro7 on Saturday July 24, 2021 @05:16PM (#27944552)
I would argue that a more apt comparison is to selling assassinations, rather than guns. While most laws prohibit that, governments and powerful entities engage in that. Anyway, this comparison makes no sense from many different perspectives.
Re:NSO Group CEO says law-abiding citizens have 'nothing to ... by BugsJustFindMe on Saturday July 24, 2021 @04:37PM (#27944263)
> Where do we end up? Anyone who sells a knife is charged for any murder committed with that brand of knife.

We could split the difference and just assign liability for the ones done by serial murderers and people who show up asking for knives that are good for murdering. Knowing that your product is going to be used for some purpose and providing it anyway makes you an accomplice.

Re:NSO Group CEO says law-abiding citizens have 'nothing to ... by ekster on Saturday July 24, 2021 @04:34PM (#27944241)
A better example would be a specially designed knife for bringing undetected onto an airplane.
Re:NSO Group CEO says law-abiding citizens have 'nothing to ... by capelio on Saturday July 24, 2021 @04:28PM (#27944203)
A knife has plenty of valid uses beyond being able to kill someone. Malware doesn’t.