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Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by jiggawatts on Saturday July 24, 2021 @06:48AM (#27939784)
I've always said that it's "funny" how UFOs as a rule magically prevent auto-focus from working.

In this era, this kind of project is just the bucket of ice water we need to shake off some silly beliefs and get back to reality.

Or discover that the CCP has secretly developed fully functional hypersonic planes...

Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by pps on Saturday July 24, 2021 @07:04AM (#27939850)
I, on the other hand, don't understand why people assume that all photos should be great looking. I own Samsung Galaxy S9+ and the quick close photos it takes are very good, but when I want to focus on something that is 20 meters apart it looks bad. Pictures taken at night are super bad. I know that there are some magnificent smartphones in the wild, but I doubt most people have them... Obviously people want to believe and will post grainy looking things as UFOs, but in reality it's also not that easy to make good, sharp photo or video for objects from further away.
Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by perlgeek on Saturday July 24, 2021 @08:40AM (#27940408)
Nobody assumes all photos should be great looking, but if there were really spacecraft or aircraft of foreign origin, wouldn't you expect the occasional high-quality image or video of it?

Instead we only see blurry UFO images, because all images that aren't blurry turn out to show mundane things.

Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by pps on Saturday July 24, 2021 @09:17AM (#27940697)
No I wouldn't expect that. Assuming these things could be real (the only thing I could even imagine would be some form of a probe without live being on board) how many of them could be flying here? There are only a couple of thousands reported sightings a year - even if some of them would be real (which I don't believe) it's obvious to me that the chance that a real alien spaceship is captured on high-quality image/video is super small and this is not an argument for them not being real, there are much better and honest ways to disbelieve that (mainly knowing some physics and how big are the distances between star systems).
Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by dogma1138 on Saturday July 24, 2021 @10:04AM (#27941036)
US navy surface vessels have state of the art electro-optical sensors capable of taking very detailed photos and videos of airborne and surface targets.

These are used for both SAR and for target identification purposes you don’t want to blow up another civilian aircraft or a fishing vessel by mistaking it for with a military target.

I don’t know exactly what the US is running but sensors from other countries I’ve seen are capable of reading the tail number of a passenger jet from a substantial distance.

These sensors are also thermally stabilized and corrected for atmospheric disturbances as much as possible, and usually capable of visual spectrum + NIR and NUV to provide even higher fidelity.

If these sightings around carrier battle groups and fleets are indeed so common we should have pretty decent evidence of what these things are.

Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by pps on Saturday July 24, 2021 @10:23AM (#27941177)
If that's true, that's another reason to not believe in US army engagement into that topic. Some of the released videos are easy to debunk (like the "pyramid ufo" which in reality is bokeh effect as proven by Mick West https://www.youtube.com/c/MickWest/videos and others) and are still being considered as unexplained by US army or whoever did this recent UFO report.
Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by dogma1138 on Saturday July 24, 2021 @10:51AM (#27941417)
These are the sort of sensors that are on surface vessels https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/30057/u-s-warships-hav...

These systems are powerful and precise enough to be used for fine grained targeting, in fact in many cases the guns of the ship and the CIWS systems will be guided with electro optical sensors rather than radar.

Radar picks things up, the ElOp system then interrogates the target, ranges it with with a laser which provides much higher precision than radar range finding and if need be guns go brrrttt…

Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by pps on Saturday July 24, 2021 @10:57AM (#27941461)
All right. For some reason they didn't use that before - maybe it wasn't available at the time, or maybe they are using that, but they deliberately want to spread disinformation. Anyway, we'll see how it will go with this linked project, it's privately funded and it will require new research, so there is no harm in doing that, only new opportunities.
Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by jiggawatts on Saturday July 24, 2021 @07:15AM (#27939899)
Keep in mind that DSLRs were sold in huge numbers, and many come with great telephoto or zoom lenses.

Why is it that nobody has ever obtained an in-focus picture of a mysterious flying craft?

I mean, I would understand if a significant proportion were out-of-focus, or a tiny dot due to distance. But... never? Ever ever? Not one? Not in the history of the human race? With billions of phone cameras in pockets? Hundreds of millions of "proper" cameras out there, and at least a few million high-end DSLRs with decent glass attached?

Makes it seem like UFOs are the invisible dragon in my garage, if you know what I mean...

Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by rmu09 on Saturday July 24, 2021 @07:44AM (#27940067)
I suggest grabbing a random DSLR with decent glass and trying to capture a bird in flight against the sky. Most of the time not even the species will be discernable. People with no prior experience photographing birds will have a hard time taking anything that is not blurry. It is actually not that easy even tracking something in flight through the viewfinder, especially at long focal lengths. Shaking, focus / depth of field, dynamic range, sensor noise and exposure time all work against you.

So I would be extremely suspicious of sharp clear properly exposed pictures of UFOs.

Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by sudosysgen on Saturday July 24, 2021 @08:25AM (#27940305)
Birds are much harder to take pictures of than a UFO would, though. They are flying only a few meters above you, therefore having much higher and less predictable angular velocity, as well as requiring more lens movement to focus compared to infinity.

I can take clear pictures of airplanes flying ~400m above me without any issues.

Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by momerath42 on Saturday July 24, 2021 @09:36AM (#27940826)
I shoot birds in flight as a hobby. It takes some skill, but it's not _that_ hard. And a bird taking up 1/4 of your FOV is close enough that you have to focus on it. A plane/UFO taking up 1/4 of your FOV is much further away, and you can just pre-set your focus at 'infinity'. >1% of UFO photos should definitely be taken with good equipment by someone who knows how to use it.
Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by ufo_pilot on Saturday July 24, 2021 @08:31AM (#27940344)
With my DSLR I took many zoomed photos of airplanes over passing (not landing). The pictures were clear, you could see many details.
Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by gus_massa on Saturday July 24, 2021 @09:31AM (#27940792)
Can you upload a few to imgur and link them?

(I don't think you are lying, but it's nice to see an example. Also I strongly like "pics or it didn't happen".)

Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by Sillzen on Saturday July 24, 2021 @11:31AM (#27941750)
I'm not the GP however I do the same, and even as a fairly lousy photographer I'm able to get photos where you can usually see some reasonable detail. Here are some examples: https://imgur.com/a/Nr5NIgt

All shot on a Canon 1100D with a 75-300mm zoom lens, using manual focus with the "full auto" mode for controlling aperture, shutter time etc. Usually I am leaning out of a window or standing in my garden to capture these shots.

As you can see, none of these images are particularly "good": the subjects in the first three images are underexposed due to their dark colouring against a light background, some are slightly out of focus, some show evidence of dirt or other marks on the camera sensor, yet you can still make out various details on all of them. One would imagine that if there were an equivalent photo of an actual "alien" UFO, it would be on the front page of newspapers across the world.

Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by gus_massa on Saturday July 24, 2021 @11:47AM (#27941874)
Nice!

(One trick that I use for family photos is to use a delay of 1 second, to avoid the movement when I press the shutter. (It's not useful when there are kids. One second later they are in another room.))

Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by Sillzen on Saturday July 24, 2021 @12:49PM (#27942437)
I've been meaning to pick up a shutter release accessory for a while now since the 1100D only has 10s shutter delay in automatic modes, or 2s delay in the manual modes. Fortunately the movement when pressing the shutter button isn't much of a problem for these type of shots as the camera + lens is weighty and quite well balanced.
Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by pps on Saturday July 24, 2021 @07:48AM (#27940094)
I'm from Mick West "camp" ( https://www.youtube.com/c/MickWest/videos ) - you don't need to try argue with me that UFOs are not aliens, BUT "there are billions of phone cameras" is simply a bad argument IMO. My phone is quite old now, but still is way above what most people in the world have, and I know that I wouldn't be able to make good photo of something on the sky, because I tried (wasn't supposed to be UFOs of course). I'm sure there are ways to do good photos for objects from distance with this and even weaker phones, but I, like most people, didn't invest my time into it. Also - let's be honest - you see your supersharp, ideal photo/video of weird spaceship-like object from some random human with great camera: would you really believe it's real? I know I wouldn't, it's just to easy to fake things.
Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by markus_zhang on Saturday July 24, 2021 @08:01AM (#27940171)
It's not that easy though. First you have to rule out the night cases, and then it's not that easy to catch a moving object with your phone in the focus.

But I do agree with your sentiment.

Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by WesleyHale on Saturday July 24, 2021 @02:12PM (#27943174)
Phone cameras are not built to take clear pictures of objects miles away from you.
Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by mtreis86 on Saturday July 24, 2021 @08:16AM (#27940255)
“I think Bigfoot is blurry, that’s the problem. It’s not the photographer’s fault. Bigfoot is blurry, and that’s extra scary to me. There’s a large, out-of-focus monster roaming the countryside. Run, he’s fuzzy, get out of here.” — Mitch Hedberg

Maybe they have some sort of skin on the craft that scatters light in a way where it appears not to be in focus.

If the craft is, in effect, bending gravity to fly, maybe it also bends the light around it causing it to look blurry.

Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by agent327 on Saturday July 24, 2021 @10:57AM (#27941464)
I've made tens of thousands of razor-sharp photos over the last ten years. Three years ago I visited the world's largest model train track in Hamburg (go see it, it's amazing!) and in one part of the track they have a little UFO coming down on a wire.

I took several photos of it, but after I come home I realized they were all unsharp - unlike the rest of my photos, which were fine, including those taken during the night cycle. I wrote that down to 'excessive realism' on the part of the builders...

Anyway, apparently the device that causes photos to blur can easily be miniaturized and installed on a 5cm large UFO.

Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by teknopaul on Saturday July 24, 2021 @10:06AM (#27941045)
You can't get a clear picture of a UFO by definition. As soon as you get a clear picture it stops being an unidentified flying object and starts being either an identified flying object or an inconvenient optical effect.

however, don't let these simple facts ruin the magic. ;)

Sometimes the real world is more fun: China has hypersonic FO operational since 2019 per https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-ZF

Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by perlgeek on Saturday July 24, 2021 @08:38AM (#27940386)
There are millions and millions of sharp photos; on all of them you see it's not an alien spacecraft (but weather ballons, light reflections and very mundane objects).

Independently of how good our technology is, there'll always be pictures of low quality that leave room for speculation.

Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by RobertoG on Saturday July 24, 2021 @02:15PM (#27943197)
I don't think that's the problem, the problem is that progress in cameras is parallel to progress in drones and CGI, so we always will be able to explain away everything. If there is something to this phenomenon, no individual video is going to be enough.

For instance, if we see something like these, the explanation is going to be drones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVTlN41Mr9w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5CSReaPNcg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a95YERVRBM

If we see something like these, CGI, I suppose:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wskl8NJ2wU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE-Yrv1-chI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JRi7VUZTcA

This one is taken by a military grade camera at night, I suppose it could be a drone or a bird:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1qiZ_L8wX4

Because it's not reproducible it's always possible to explain away everything. It's an epistemology nightmare but I find it very interesting, specially when you have testimonies from people that you don't have a reason to doubt. I have to think if, maybe, our priors are too strong in one direction.

Re:The Galileo Project: Daring to Look Through New Telescopes by ufo_pilot on Saturday July 24, 2021 @08:28AM (#27940323)
My conspiracy theory is that aliens don't want definite proofs of their existence, just vague ones.

So in all of their technological might they track in real time the location of all photo sensors in the world, and only reveal themselves in locations where only potato cameras are present.