We’d rather have the iceberg than the ship

Re:We’d rather have the iceberg than the ship by danans on Friday July 23, 2021 @07:43PM (#27937011)

> Cities are suitable when politically leaning towards collectivization.

So are suburbs, but they just represent a more exclusive collectivism. Last I checked, they still have public roads, water, sewer, and schools. In prosperous suburbs, it's just collectivism with a minimum net worth or income requirement.

> “Let’s fit together” as, not only an injunction, but shoving in your face that people here, in fact, are different, don’t fit, and their kid is racketing your kid, you end up despising the people who keep telling you to “livetogether” (vivrensemble).

Sounds like you had a bad urban experience with people "different" than you. That sucks, but it doesn't speak for everyone's urban experience.

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Re:We’d rather have the iceberg than the ship by stickfigure on Saturday July 24, 2021 @12:29AM (#27938403)

> Last I checked, they still have public roads, water, sewer, and schools.

Sure. But depending on where you land, you can avoid HOAs, architectural design review boards, neighbor comment periods, 24-month permit delays, EIRs, etc. The red tape ("community involvement", if you prefer) involved in living in a city like SF is nothing like what it is in the suburbs, not even the crazy Stepford ones like Irvine.

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