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Re:Why is the university of California dropping the SAT? by fortran77 on Friday July 23, 2021 @04:06PM (#27935010)
The linked article may give you another point of view.
Re:Why is the university of California dropping the SAT? by bayesian_horse on Friday July 23, 2021 @04:15PM (#27935095)
It didn't. The author seems to have a gut-felt conviction that there is no bias or damage in standardized testing or its subsequent use for university admissions.
Re:Why is the university of California dropping the SAT? by andreilys on Friday July 23, 2021 @04:19PM (#27935137)
The problem is that every approach to university admissions will be flawed.

Personally I think there should be a lottery system after a certain grade/extracurricular cut-off. The difference at a certain point between students is negligible and a lottery system would help alleviate some bias. Of course there's plenty of things wrong with this approach as well, you're never going to find something that pleases everyone.

Re:Why is the university of California dropping the SAT? by dlp211 on Friday July 23, 2021 @04:40PM (#27935381)
I'm not sure of any state universities using a lottery, but some do automatically admit the top N% of students from every high school. For example, U of Texas admits the top top 6% or every high school.
Re:Why is the university of California dropping the SAT? by sjg007 on Saturday July 24, 2021 @09:49AM (#27940912)
Random stable matching would work.. rank your top 5 and they rank you.
Re:Why is the university of California dropping the SAT? by thereare5lights on Friday July 23, 2021 @04:24PM (#27935198)
Did you even read the article?

> How do I know all of this? Because unlike the regents, who enthusiastically voted to eliminate the tests for the first time in 2020, I did not ignore the findings of a 225-page report that was prepared for them at the request of the UC’s then-president, Janet Napolitano. This report[1], by the Academic Council’s Standardized Testing Task Force, was based on years of UC admissions data and was the product of a tremendous amount of work by a formidable team of experts in statistics, medicine, law, philosophy, neuroscience, education, anthropology, and admissions.

> The scholars determined that the obvious challenges faced by low-income Black and Latino students were poverty and poor K–12 education. And they found that the UC’s use of standardized tests did not amplify racial disparities. They agreed that the university should continue using test scores in admissions, but recommended that the UC begin developing its own test, which would be designed to meet the needs of both students and the institution.

[1] https://senate.universityofcalifornia.edu/_files/committees/...

Re:Why is the university of California dropping the SAT? by bayesian_horse on Saturday July 24, 2021 @03:12AM (#27939030)
The issue is not if testing "amplifies" racial disparity.

If it is the link in the chain which makes sure the disparity is carried on, especially to bigger amplifiers like college admission, then the decision to abandon it is clear.

Re:Why is the university of California dropping the SAT? by thereare5lights on Saturday July 24, 2021 @04:06PM (#27944022)
Even if it is also a link in the chain which makes sure the disparity is broken?

You do realize that it is possible for it to be both right?

The question is whether or not it helps more than it hurts and no one seems to care that it helps the students from poorer areas distinguish themselves.

Re:Why is the university of California dropping the SAT? by bayesian_horse on Saturday July 24, 2021 @08:09PM (#27945493)
Problem is that they don't distinguish themselves at a high enough rate to make up for the disparity. It is much harder for them to do so.
Re:Why is the university of California dropping the SAT? by dnautics on Friday July 23, 2021 @04:55PM (#27935534)
what? did you RTFA? The author gives an argument based on concrete evidence that the SAT helps underrepresented minorities, and states there ALREADY is a pathway (that also lots of underrepresented minorities use) that avoids the SAT, the biggest problem being that statewide guidance counselors are not instructed on the existence of that pathway.
Re:Why is the university of California dropping the SAT? by bayesian_horse on Saturday July 24, 2021 @03:10AM (#27939027)
Intention is not evidence of success.
Re:Why is the university of California dropping the SAT? by dnautics on Sunday July 25, 2021 @12:19PM (#27950361)
no, but actual flux of humans through those programs is. I feel like you still haven't read the article.