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Re:Apple testing new external display with A13 chip by pengaru on Friday July 23, 2021 @02:40PM (#27934188)
Arguably what's an appropriate GPU bandwidth is largely defined by the display attached to it, primarily its resolution, color depth, and refresh rate.

But I still don't think it makes sense to physically merge the two.

Displays wear out far faster than the GPUs driving them, and just have much higher failure rates in general, being physical targets for thrown handheld controllers and what not. Doesn't seem wise to make the display so much more costly to replace by shoving the GPU within it.

But this is Apple... making this expensive to replace is kind of their M.O.

Re:Apple testing new external display with A13 chip by crazygringo on Friday July 23, 2021 @03:10PM (#27934457)
> Displays wear out far faster than the GPUs driving them

Do they?

In my experience they both last forever until you decide to upgrade to better specs. And in that case it's quite likely you upgrade both together.

Displays don't really "wear out" these days in normal usage.

Although I guess I'm not really sure why you say they're a target for thrown handheld controllers ha... are you speaking about yourself or about kids...?

Re:Apple testing new external display with A13 chip by TapamN on Friday July 23, 2021 @07:58PM (#27937126)
Regular LCD displays last a long time, but OLED displays definitely wear out.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/oled-lifespan/

Re:Apple testing new external display with A13 chip by pengaru on Friday July 23, 2021 @03:31PM (#27934695)
> Do they?

Yes.

Burn-in is a real problem [0], especially for OLEDs last I checked.

LED backlights wear out, I've personally helped multiple people replace them in external monitors and laptops over the years.

And they're obviously more fragile and exposed to the elements than a GPU within a case.

> are you speaking about yourself or about kids...?

What difference does it make? You do realize kids are a real factor, they exist, are rather common actually. And these days gaming has become just as popular among adults too.

It's as if everyone forgot the rash of broken displays when the wii came out... surely those people appreciated not having to pay for a GPU too when replacing those displays.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_burn-in#Plasma,_LCD,_an...

Re:Apple testing new external display with A13 chip by closewith on Friday July 23, 2021 @03:03PM (#27934402)
> Displays wear out far faster than the GPUs driving them, and just have much higher failure rates in general, being physical targets for thrown handheld controllers and what not. Doesn't seem wise to make the display so much more costly to replace by shoving the GPU within it.

Is this true? This seems nearly diametric to my experience.

Re:Apple testing new external display with A13 chip by kiawe_fire on Friday July 23, 2021 @03:29PM (#27934663)
Mine too.

In fact I dare say the GPU has been the single most failure prone component of every computer I’ve owned for the past 15 years.

Which only further illustrates the point that putting something expensive and unreliable into an already expensive device seems risky.