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Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by renewiltord on Thursday July 22, 2021 @04:02PM (#27923590)
Because I want to be paid the same as equally performant people. I want the company to hire equally qualified people and pay according to equal performance.

Considering we all know hiring is an imperfect measure of skill, I would expect that pay diverges over tenure conditioned on identical qualification at hire.

What I do not want is for equally performant people to be paid differently on non-job-characteristics: so if, for instance, two people are roughly in the same bucket of performance, paying the woman less/more is unacceptable. Obviously individuals will see individual variation, but if across a number of employees, n, you see x% lower/higher pay for women than for men something is strange for sufficiently large x and n.

That is, either your hiring practices for women and men are not congruent, or they are and for some reason you're seeing poorer/better performances from women/men, then you have to identify the cause. The null hypothesis is that gender does not affect ability.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by endisneigh on Thursday July 22, 2021 @04:10PM (#27923688)
> Because I want to be paid the same as equally performant people. I want the company to hire equally qualified people and pay according to equal performance.

Without pay transparency you wouldn't know regardless so I'm not sure what your point is.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by renewiltord on Thursday July 22, 2021 @04:11PM (#27923704)
I'll try again. We seem to have suffered some context-loss. I'll keep the question and answer close to each other to avoid that.

Your question was:

> why wouldn't you want to be paid the same as equally qualified members with the same title on the same team?

My answer is "because performance is more important than qualifications and once you're in I could give a flying fuck about your qualifications". That's the point.

Pay transparency is a different discussion. I am fully capable of transmitting and receiving pay information without forced pay transparency.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by endisneigh on Thursday July 22, 2021 @04:14PM (#27923739)
You're missing the point. For two people who just started, without transparency they could've been paid differently irrespective of their qualifications or nonexistence performance at their role.

Furthermore even if there are discrepancies in pay and performance without transparency you wouldn't know anyway. My question was in the context of the other post - in the context of your post it's the same question except with respect to performance.

So, are you against pay transparency, or not? You say you're capable of receiving and transmitting, but ultimately you aren't receiving the truth, only what is told to you - which may or may not be the same.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by renewiltord on Thursday July 22, 2021 @04:26PM (#27923866)
> So, are you against pay transparency, or not?

Against. Not because of the ideal but because sufficient numbers of capable engineers I'd like to work with are simultaneously poor evaluators of whether others are capable. i.e. lack of pay transparency permits us both to turn the situation into a low stakes situation if we do not highly estimate each others' ability to evaluate others.

> You say you're capable of receiving and transmitting, but ultimately you aren't receiving the truth, only what is told to you - which may or may not be the same.

I am capable of having trusted relationships where I do not need third-party enforcement of truth. Just like I'd believe a friend who says she's going to the store without having to check her location on Google Maps, I am capable of believing my trusted co-workers when they express things like this as truth. I do not lie to them and I am capable of forming relationships where I believe they do not lie to me.