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Re:A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech by notyourday on Thursday July 22, 2021 @01:25AM (#27915670)
No. What we need is something that is amazingly simple:

* you, a programmer who coded something that caused company X to lose Y dollars because of a "mistake", have to be on a hook for Y dollars.

* you, a manager who managed a project that caused a company X to lose Y dollars because of a "mistake" by your programmer, have to be on a hook for Y dollars.

* you, a product owner who accepted the what the manager of ta project that caused a company X to lose Y dollars because of a "mistake" by your programmer, have to be on a hook for Y dollars.

* you, the CEO of the company that had a product owner who accepted the what the manager of ta project that caused a company X to lose Y dollars because of a "mistake" by your programmer, have to be on a hook for Y dollars.

Yes, I understand that the cost of a mistake is now higher than the loss suffered by X. That's the incentive to ensure that it does not happen because the wives or husbands or partners of the people who would now have to pay are going to ensure that they do not do take that whose wacky ideas and implement them -- wacky ideas are abstract but the loss of nice housing, nice organic food, nice daycare for the kids and nice scholarship fun is real.

Re:A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech by selcuka on Thursday July 22, 2021 @01:30AM (#27915697)
Start punishing mistakes and you will soon have a hard time finding good people to employ. Only bad (and broke) ones will be available.
Re:A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech by mrguyorama on Thursday July 22, 2021 @03:01PM (#27922836)
Funny, we hold civil engineers accountable and there seem to be plenty of capable engineers to do things that need to be done, and we hold bad pilots accountable, and yet the only reason airlines have a pilot shortage is because they refuse to pay more than $20k a year.

Developers need to stop being so allergic to accountability. It's kind of pathetic

Re:A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech by selcuka on Thursday July 22, 2021 @07:32PM (#27925584)
I studied mechanical engineering myself, so I hear you.

That being said, software development and civil engineering are very different in terms of risk management. There are strict regulations around what you do and if you play by the rules, you have minimum to no risk. Even if dozens of people die under a collapsing building you are not accountable if everything you had done was by the book.

Software development, on the other hand, is more like wild west. There are minimal regulations, only best practices. One developer can never know if the end product is free of any errors.

Pilots are a completely different story. The OP was talking about "causing company X to lose Y dollars", not human lives.

Re:A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech by notyourday on Friday July 23, 2021 @10:49AM (#27931299)
> Start punishing mistakes and you will soon have a hard time finding good people to employ. Only bad (and broke) ones will be available.

Nah, the opposite. Being paid $800k/year is a great carrot. It should come with a stick so fewer people do the cruise control.

Re:A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech by raxxorrax on Thursday July 22, 2021 @10:24AM (#27919230)
Some companies actually try to do that. They are mostly not the best ones, have liquidity problems and incompetent management.

You would have to pay CEO salaries since the responsibility lies on developers.

Re:A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech by hutzlibu on Thursday July 22, 2021 @02:36AM (#27916101)
Since you like to invoke a climate of fear, why not add the death sentence to that list?

But ... would you then like to work in that area, if you fear every step you make, can be your last?

Do you think there would be much innovation, if the punishment costs are so out of balance?

Re:A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech by bigbillheck on Thursday July 22, 2021 @05:59AM (#27917152)
You forgot the board and the shareholders.
Re:A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech by mewpmewp2 on Friday July 23, 2021 @08:27AM (#27929911)
What about the customers who bought/consumed that faulty product? They should also pay Y dollars, since it was their decision and responsibility to take the risk of buying the product and not vetting management, developers and the CEO before hand.
Re:A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech by bjorn2k on Thursday July 22, 2021 @02:35AM (#27916091)
I hope this is a joke.