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Re:Habits, UI changes, and OS stagnation by forgotmypw17 on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @06:16PM (#27912874)
This is why I abandoned Mac and Windows...

My computer is a workstation, not a playground, and I don't need things randomly rearranged for me.

I resisted for a long time, because Linux seemed like a "hassle", but once I'd had to reconfigure everything several times after upgrades, I realized that I was essentially going through the same process, only on someone else's schedule and not by choice.

After trying out a couple of WMs and choosing one to become familiar with, I've NEVER AGAIN had that experience. Even if a distro has a different default setup, it's a matter of copying the config file I already have saved from a previous install.

What a load off my shoulders!

Re:Habits, UI changes, and OS stagnation by coldtea on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @06:45PM (#27913117)
>This is why I abandoned Mac and Windows..

For what? Linux is even worse on that aspect.

First for the OS GUI (Desktop manager, finder, launcher, and config apps) - both Gnome and KDE and Canonical and others have the tendency to remake it (usually worse) every few years and every major release. Then there's the fact that key things keep missing in action (like image preview in the file selector in Gnome iirc).

And that's for the core desktop (launcher + config apps). It gets worse with regular apps. Some being GTK and others KDE/QT based, some use bizarro or legacy frameworks, some with custom cross-platform UIs that kind of match the look of just GTK apps usually, and so on.

Sure, as you did, you can always go with a minimal setup (just some terminals and a very simple window manager), and that will stay stable, but that's really retreating from UI, not a holy grail of stable UI. And it doesn't include your UI apps (which suffer from what I described above).

Re:Habits, UI changes, and OS stagnation by forgotmypw17 on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @11:13PM (#27914919)
You're right, Linux distros are not immune to this, and I've omitted a portion of my journey in my summary.

I've also tried Ubuntu, Debian, and a few others, and had to abandon them for the same reasons.

Eventually, I settled on [redacted], which is pretty raw and immature, but once I get it tweaked out, I can move the config file to another distro and have it work roughly the same.

Basically, I doubled down and committed to cutting out all the software which pulls that kind of shit, which means I no longer use Chromium or Firefox (except for testing), Gnome, etc.

I found a lightweight WM which seems to be relatively stable in "poor emulation of Windows 95 plus a few additions" mode, which is available across several different distros, and I keep a repo with my config for it so that I can readjust it from whatever the distro defaults it to.

It's not a day's worth of work, and not even a year, but now I'm fairly confident that I can sit down at my WORKSTATION and something hasn't randomly changed and I can't get it back to how it was before.

In fact, I've been able to get this experience while not buying or using any new devices, since I only use secondhand hardware for ethical/moral reasons.

Re:Habits, UI changes, and OS stagnation by rossy on Thursday July 22, 2021 @03:23AM (#27916363)
> And that's for the core desktop (launcher + config apps). It gets worse with regular apps. Some being GTK and others KDE/QT based, some use bizarro or legacy frameworks, some with custom cross-platform UIs that kind of match the look of just GTK apps usually, and so on.

To be fair, I don't think Windows has had this advantage over Linux for over 20 years. Maybe macOS has, but in Windows, almost every application is built with a weird custom proprietary toolkit. Even Office and Visual Studio, Microsoft's flagship Windows programs, are. That desktop Linux only has two major toolkits is a blessing. With the rise of UWP and official Microsoft Electron apps like VS Code and Teams, it's not even clear what the look and feel of a native Windows program is supposed to be anymore.

Re:Habits, UI changes, and OS stagnation by Jarwain on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @08:13PM (#27913796)
Do you miss out on a lot or are otherwise forced to upgrade the OS Gui or WM? As far as I can tell there are a ton of forks of gnome 2 specifically because of dislike against gnome 3.
Re:Habits, UI changes, and OS stagnation by coldtea on Thursday July 22, 2021 @12:44PM (#27921161)
>Do you miss out on a lot or are otherwise forced to upgrade the OS Gui or WM?

You're not, but then you're left behind on functional, security, and functionality updates as well (which you do want), not just on useless UI changes (which you don't).