Re:Tesla plans to open its charging network to other EVs lat...
by Corrado on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @10:12AM
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Tesla has always offered the charging network and patents for anyone to use. The other automakers chose to go another way, unfortunately. I guess it makes sense from their standpoint; you don't want your product tied to a competitor. But it does seem a bit short sighted on their part.
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Re:Tesla plans to open its charging network to other EVs lat...
by theluketaylor on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @10:18AM
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That was a trojan horse offer. Tesla required anyone accepting the deal to give up their right to ever sue tesla over any patent infringement of any kind. Any automaker's legal department that allowed their boss to sign that would have needed to be immediately fired.
Re:Tesla plans to open its charging network to other EVs lat...
by rrrrrrrrrrrryan on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @10:45AM
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I specifically remember Elon stating that anyone could just use the technology without even informing Tesla, so I looked it up:
https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=ca6c332f-2cc5...
Indeed, there are no documents for executives to sign, but the patents aren't exactly fully free to use either: Tesla promised not to sue any company infringing on its patents as long as they're acting in "good faith," which obviously has a bunch of caveats (one being that you can't sue Tesla over any other patent related issues).
The end result is the same: a decent idea ruined by the lawyers.
Re:Tesla plans to open its charging network to other EVs lat...
by rsynnott on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @01:04PM
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> a decent idea ruined by the lawyers.
Or, more cynically, a publicity stunt, facilitated by lawyers. A lot of "look, you can use our patents!" things fall under this umbrella; they're devised in such a way that the company gets some publicity, but no-one can realistically use the patents.
Re:Tesla plans to open its charging network to other EVs lat...
by derekp7 on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @02:25PM
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So it was essentially a cross-licensing deal that allowed other automakers to use Tesla charging tech (did this include other Tesla-owned patents?), but the others would effectively have to license their entire patent portfolio to Tesla (can't sue is not too far from a blanket license to use).
Re:Tesla plans to open its charging network to other EVs lat...
by shmoe on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @10:18AM
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I believe the issue always was they'd have to use Tesla's billing infrastructure as there are no screens etc on the superchargers. I hear you though.
Re:Tesla plans to open its charging network to other EVs lat...
by mavhc on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @10:55AM
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The standards based version of that is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Charge_Point_Protocol I've no idea if Tesla use something similar.
Certificate built into the car.
Re:Tesla plans to open its charging network to other EVs lat...
by shmoe on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @11:28AM
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Nope.. and every other vendor is having issues implementing it. The ID.4 from VW is awaiting a software update to enable plug and charge. Tesla's is proprietary.
Re:Tesla plans to open its charging network to other EVs lat...
by theluketaylor on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @12:04PM
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Ford Mustang Mach-e has plug and charge. Some users are having good luck with it, but quite a few are experiencing issues. It mostly works at EA locations.