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Re:Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90 by jedberg on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @03:48PM (#27898373)
Yeah actually it is. I’m a pretty technical user and use the web and the internet a lot.

I can’t think of a scenario where I would need FTP in 2021. Can you point me at one?

Re:Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90 by puzzlingcaptcha on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @04:23PM (#27898813)
I used ftp multiple times this year, mostly for getting technical documentation and firmware. Two examples from my browsing history from last month:

ftp://ftp.kontron.com/Products/Motherboards/Industrial/D3544-S_Mini-STX/Documentation/ ftp://ftp.panasonic.com/pub/panasonic/call_center/firmware/

One advantage of ftp is that it is much easier to have access control on different resources than dealing with .htaccess files so it was popular with customer service.

The consequence will be that many ftp servers still hosting software/firmware for legacy products will be taken down and their content lost.

Re:Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90 by jedberg on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @04:44PM (#27899052)
Ok, that is a legit use case. It's been a long time since I've needed firmware that was FTP only, but I can see that possibility. But I still disagree with this:

> The consequence will be that many ftp servers still hosting software/firmware for legacy products will be taken down and their content lost.

Even if all the browsers dropped support for FTP, Finder and Explorer both have native FTP support, and there are plenty of clients otherwise. I doubt those resources will be taken offline.

Re:Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90 by JackGreyhat on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @04:12PM (#27898668)
Re:Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90 by jedberg on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @04:45PM (#27899076)
Sure, but what is the use case of browsing that with a web browser? Both Finder and Explorer can natively support ftp, and there are plenty of other clients.
Re:Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90 by JackGreyhat on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @04:50PM (#27899145)
You asked for a scenario in which you need ftp in 2021. You handled my example by switching to another program, such as finder or explorer. That's fine. Do you agree that your user experience decreased by having to switch programs?
Re:Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90 by jedberg on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @04:59PM (#27899248)
> Do you agree that your user experience decreased by having to switch programs?

No, because it opened automatically and was nearly seamless. I didn't even notice that I'd been moved to Finder at first.

Re:Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90 by JackGreyhat on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @05:09PM (#27899377)
Try pressing the back button.
Re:Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90 by antisol on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @01:15PM (#27909103)
Whoa... I missed this earlier.

>I didn't even notice that I'd been moved to Finder at first.

You... can't tell finder from a web browser??

There goes 100% of your credibility with regard to UX.

Re:Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90 by jedberg on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @01:22PM (#27909212)
You really like to take the worst possible interpretation of whatever someone says, don't you?

Of course I can tell the difference between a browser and the finder. My point was the transition was so seamless that I thought Safari was embedding the finder in the Safari window until I looked up at the app bar and realized it had actually switched apps.

But feel free to go on dismissing me, since it's clear from your comments that you think no one in the world is right but you.

Re:Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90 by antisol on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @07:59PM (#27913687)
What "worst possible interpretation"? You were the one who claimed you didn't realise you had switched from safari to the finder. Which is exactly equivalent to saying "I have no clue what I'm looking at and pay zero attention to detail". In a conversation where you're discussing those very details.

What's the "good" interpretation? That you suffer from an attention deficit disorder, so it's not your fault that you have no clue what you're looking at and the things you're saying are patently ridiculous?

> I thought Safari was embedding the finder in the Safari window

So, to summarise, your argument is that you have no idea about how your software works or what it does. It felt "seamless" to you because you had no idea what to expect and think your browser magically embeds other applications now.

Just in case I wasn't clear last time: If you think that switching to an entirely different different application is a reasonable thing to miss, you have zero credibility where UX is concerned.

>it's clear from your comments that you think no one in the world is right but you.

Lots of people who aren't me are right. It's just that statistically speaking those people tend to agree with me on most things.

Kragen, for example, has been saying things that are right all day (In particular I found this treatise on security stuff to be damn near sexy: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27900935).

Even some people who disagree with me on a bunch of points have said things that are right. It's happened today. And you'll see me acknowledge them when they happen if you look.

The reason you haven't seen that is because you haven't said anything that was right.

But if you really believed this assertion you could easily prove it accurate: All you'd need to do is say "OK, yes, I had no clue what I was looking at. I don't know why I thought the finder was in a web browser. I guess I was just confused. That was dumb and inattentive of me". If your theory is accurate I won't be able to agree with that.

Re:Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90 by kragen on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @02:08PM (#27909835)
> But feel free to go on dismissing me, since it's clear from your comments that you think no one in the world is right but you.

You know, you're really not in a good position to criticize other people in this conversation with exaggerated complaints about their intellectual arrogance.

Re:Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90 by antisol on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @05:20PM (#27899513)
hahaha.

"my UX wasn't diminished"

"nearly seamless"

That's pretty funny.

Re:Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90 by classichasclass on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @04:26PM (#27898844)
Depends on where the files you want are. Some are only available over FTP, and some preferentially so. They may not be things you personally need.
Re:Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90 by TedDoesntTalk on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @04:25PM (#27898828)
ftp://apple.asimov.net

Archive of apple 2 software and documentation. I use it a lot.

Re:Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90 by jedberg on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @04:46PM (#27899089)
But also available via https: https://www.apple.asimov.net/
Re:Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90 by antisol on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @04:30PM (#27898882)
>I’m a pretty technical user and use the web and the internet a lot.

Oh Wow! cool! I'm so impressed!

So what you're saying is that because you "use the internet a lot" that you know everything about the requirements, hardware, software, and most importantly limitations of every single internet user on (and off!) the planet.

I guess I should at least give you some credit for not having any problems with self-doubt.