Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted with Pegasus

Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by hutzlibu on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @08:18AM (#27892850)

" The difference is that conservative nationalism can’t get that type of foothold in Western Europe and the mistake was to include countries in the EU that even had a risk of having a nationalist majority"

Does spain is included in your non-nationalistic western europe? A state where old fascist are still in charge in justice, police and army? Who cheeringly cracked down on catalonia who dared to organize a referendum on independence?

Or, well france. Who declared as a first move of presidency of EU to make french the standard working language of the EU?

Nationalism isn't restricted to eastern europe.

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Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by zajio1am on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @08:50AM (#27893093)

> Who cheeringly cracked down on catalonia who dared to organize a referendum on independence?

Which would likely be done by every country that respects rule of law and equal rights of its citizens.

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Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by hutzlibu on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @08:56AM (#27893142)

I supose by rule of law, you don't mean:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination

Aside from that, the UK showed with scotland, how it can be done dealing with political issues, without involving the police. Because that is just in tradition of the fascist way.

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Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by alkonaut on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @08:54AM (#27893128)

> Who cheeringly cracked down on catalonia who dared to organize a referendum on independenc

Parts of states do not simply arrange independence referendums without approval from the central government. This would be “cracked down” in every single country on earth. It may well be that Catalonia deserve independence but it’s not exactly surprising or authoritarian of a central government to stop such attempts. Scotland doesn’t arrange an IndyRef without getting a nod from London.

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Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by hutzlibu on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @08:58AM (#27893161)

But how could they have proceed legaly, when the central government made it clear, they never respect their right of self determination?

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Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by alkonaut on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @09:41AM (#27893569)

By trying to move that opinion. It might take three or ten generations but it’s hard to see an independence movement go faster without violence.

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