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Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by pjc50 on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @06:35AM (#27892072)
There's almost seven million displaced Syrians. The real failure is to not have dealt with the Syrian crisis, and now the demand to kick out the refugees, no matter how impractical this is or how lethal it would be to them, is rising.
Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by bobthechef on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @08:53AM (#27893125)
> The real failure is to not have dealt with the Syrian crisis

Most migrants weren't Syrians, btw. But more importantly, I wish to remind you that when this mass migration was inflicted on Europe, the Left was very much in favor of this shitshow. There was no "dealing with the Syrian crisis" then (whatever anyone means by that). Nor was there any acknowledgement that the majority of migrants weren't fleeing Syrians. Syrians should have been helped on the ground in Syria, but only a few states seemed to promote that approach (Poland comes to mind).

All of this should suggest that the mass migration was weaponized.

Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by pjc50 on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @11:05AM (#27894648)
> acknowledgement that the majority of migrants weren't fleeing Syrians

Which migrants? Where are they from in Hungary, then?

> should suggest that the mass migration was weaponized

By whom? For what purpose?

> the Left was very much in favor of this shitshow

The left (such as this can be described as a homogenous bloc!) was not in favour of the collapse of Syria, although they generally were against just repeating the mistakes of Iraq there. Without the attack on Iraq the collapse of Syria might not have happened, after all - it released a huge amount of arms stockpiles into the region which were taken up by ISIS.

Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by pseudo0 on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @01:28PM (#27896614)
Syrians were under 30% of the migrants arriving in Europe from 2015-2016. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis#Causes...

> The left (such as this can be described as a homogenous bloc!) was not in favour of the collapse of Syria, although they generally were against just repeating the mistakes of Iraq there. Without the attack on Iraq the collapse of Syria might not have happened, after all - it released a huge amount of arms stockpiles into the region which were taken up by ISIS.

Obama authorized the CIA in 2013 to supply the Syrian rebels with money, weapons, and training [0]. A lot of those weapons ended up falling into the hands of extremist groups like AQ and ISIL, either by "vetted" militia groups getting absorbed into larger ones or weapons getting resold on the black market. That may not have ignited the conflict, but it certainly prolonged it and contributed to the humanitarian crisis in Syria.

[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_Sycamore

Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by adolph on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @08:45AM (#27893039)
Pop of Hungary is 10m. What % of Syria can be absorbed by Syria?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary

Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by ipaddr on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @01:08PM (#27896382)
At 1% 100,000 or so max.
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Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by hutzlibu on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @08:07AM (#27892744)
Or to turkey, russia, iran, france ... there are many powers involved in syria and fighting over it.
Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by ramphastidae on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @08:26AM (#27892911)
https://www.unhcr.org/refugee-statistics/ > Turkey hosts the largest number of refugees, with nearly 3.7 million people.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrians_in_Turkey > The number of Syrians in Turkey is estimated at over 3.6 million people as of March 2020,[3] and consists mainly of refugees of the Syrian Civil War.

Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by hutzlibu on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @08:32AM (#27892953)
Yes. And turkey is also very active in creating more refugees by supporting islamists in syria and active combat raids. And is using the mass of refugees regulary to blackmail the EU.
Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by ramphastidae on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @09:14AM (#27893291)
Turkey did not start the war in Syria, but they do share a border with them, and have a responsibility to secure their border from a failed state. They took in more refugees than any other country in the world, which has a massive impact on their economy and security. Requesting economic aid from the EU to deal with this is not blackmail. The EU benefits massively from keeping Syrians in Turkey, because Syrians primarily use it as a pass through on their way to Europe.
Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by hutzlibu on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @09:26AM (#27893391)
"and have a responsibility to secure their border from a failed state."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_involvement_in_the_Syr...

So you think supporting islamist militias is helping stabilize said neighbor state?