Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ...
by hyper_dynamics on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @05:22AM
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They should be expelled, but that's not possible. So the EU is indeed kinda helpless against member states gone rouge
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Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ...
by pmontra on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @05:31AM
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I don't recommended this scenario but: the other states could join a new union and leave Hungary and possibly other states outside (the usual split into a good company and a bad one.) Lots of legal disputes but in international law the strongest party always makes the law and shrugs problems away.
BTW, is it rouge (as in French for red) or rogue?
Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ...
by Darmody on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @05:50AM
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No, they can't make a new union, that's just stupid. It took decades to build the EU as it is now. Building something new isn't feasible.
Just look at the Brexit shitshow and that was only a country leaving.
And besides that, the EU has never been about controlling national governments. The common values thing it's something new they brought to the table because they want to expand their powers.
Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ...
by trasz on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @04:55PM
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In case of Poland the only value being forced by the EU is not breaking Poland’s own constitution. Which is required for any kind of reliable business, which, in turn, is pretty central to fundamental purpose of the EU.
Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ...
by peteretep on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @09:03AM
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Or they could just develop decent sanctions and enforce them. Hungary is a massive net recipient of EU funds, which seems a great starting lever, plus throw just the smallest amount of friction into their Schengen status, and you've got something pretty potent there.
Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ...
by scrollaway on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @05:57AM
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It's Rogue. Common misspelling :)
Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ...
by majgr on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @08:46AM
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Orban will vote easily against Poland just when he is guaranteed that he gets money from after-COVID fund. Maybe that is why EU are withholding Hungary spend plan for this fund.
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Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ...
by pell on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @07:13AM
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I am really not sure where this notion is coming from and I've seen it repeated in this thread multiple times now. The reason Orban's government is considered dangerous within the EU context has never been because of his stance on immigration or that he "doesn't kiss the rainbow flag". The problem is that his government has been attacking and dismantling democratic institutions such as academia, the media, NGOs and even the judiciary to some extend. The critique and this development started long before the refugee situation in 2015.
This has really nothing to do with immigration or LGTBQ policy. A number of EU countries are not really champions of immigration or LGTBQ+ matters either (Slowakia, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece). This idea that the issue is about him or his government not being "hip" or "woke" enough is really odd to say the least.
Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ...
by bjoli on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @07:10AM
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The recent politicising the courts, and the political aftermath, is bad enough to warrant serious action from the EU. Orban has had undemocratic tendencies for a long time, and his blatant misuse of power has had all spectrums of the political field concerned since we'll before the 2015 EU migration crisis.
Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ...
by Twixes on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @07:35AM
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The government calling people subhuman simply because of what gender they prefer or feel like is far more twisted than some "not kissing the rainbow flag", and that's what's happening in Hungary or Poland receiving huge EU subsidies.