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Re:Math Problems for children from 5 to 15 (2004) [pdf] by sokoloff on Monday July 19, 2021 @02:00PM (#27885483)
1. Depends on whether kopecks are divisible into a smaller monetary unit or not. If they are divisible into 100 units, I believe the answer is "anywhere between 7.00 and 7.99 kopecks".

(Problem #2 requires kopecks to be divisible.)

Re:Math Problems for children from 5 to 15 (2004) [pdf] by amativos on Monday July 19, 2021 @05:44PM (#27887597)
I think part of the point of this brochure is to think about the problems intuitively in the context they are presented. So in the first problem it's just kids trying to buy their first book, it would be silly to think Masha had a fraction of a kopeck (assuming you understand what a kopeck is, I really think it should have been translated as cent) and that the answer could be in range [7, 8). This may be what he talks about when he says that many academics fail at these problems.

Similarly, in problem #2 the cork indeed costs 0.5 kopecks but in this case we're just thinking about cost conceptually, not in terms of how much money a person actually has on hand.

Re:Math Problems for children from 5 to 15 (2004) [pdf] by sokoloff on Monday July 19, 2021 @06:54PM (#27888221)
Indeed, but it likewise seems intuitively reasonable to think that a book costs much more than 7 cents (or 7 times whatever the atomic unit of currency is) and that over 100 times the atomic unit is more reasonable.
Re:Math Problems for children from 5 to 15 (2004) [pdf] by culebron21 on Monday July 19, 2021 @02:39PM (#27885904)
Before 1917, they were divisible into 4 polushkas.
Re:Math Problems for children from 5 to 15 (2004) [pdf] by valbaca on Monday July 19, 2021 @02:14PM (#27885633)
They're not. It's like a penny. Sure you may have parts of cents like with gas, but for girls buying books, it's the lowest currency value.
Re:Math Problems for children from 5 to 15 (2004) [pdf] by Symbiote on Monday July 19, 2021 @04:13PM (#27886792)
Long ago, many currencies had more divisions than they do now.

The penny of GBP came in quarter pennies (farthings) until 1950.

Half US-cent coins were made until 1857.

Re:Math Problems for children from 5 to 15 (2004) [pdf] by rjp0008 on Monday July 19, 2021 @03:54PM (#27886630)
> (Problem #2 requires kopecks to be divisible.)

Does it? Did I fail at problem 2? I got:

Bottle + cork = 10

Bottle = 9cork

bottle/9 = cork

9(bottle + bottle/9) = 9(10)

9 bottle + bottle = 90

10 bottle = 90

bottle = 9

9 = 9cork

1 = cork

Re:Math Problems for children from 5 to 15 (2004) [pdf] by sokoloff on Monday July 19, 2021 @03:56PM (#27886645)
I read the second statement ("the bottle itself is 9 kopecks more expensive than the cork.") as:

Bottle = 9 + Cork

Your statement (Bottle = 9 * Cork) would be "the bottle is 9 times as expensive as the cork".

I solve it to:

Bottle = 9.5 Kopecks.

Cork = 0.5 Kopecks.

Re:Math Problems for children from 5 to 15 (2004) [pdf] by haxiomic on Monday July 19, 2021 @02:21PM (#27885718)
Works even if Kopecks are divisible: say the books value is 7.5, Mash must have 0.5 (7.5 - 7) and Misha 6.5 (7.5 - 1), however now when you combine them they sum to exactly 7.5 not less than, the only way to arrive at less than is if Masha has 0. So its always exactly 7
Re:Math Problems for children from 5 to 15 (2004) [pdf] by gabagool on Monday July 19, 2021 @02:28PM (#27885792)
6.5 + 0.5 is 7.0, not 7.5, so that should be valid.

The book's cost can lie anywhere between [7, 8).

Re:Math Problems for children from 5 to 15 (2004) [pdf] by haxiomic on Monday July 19, 2021 @02:53PM (#27886064)
Right on the original typo, but still not convinced, I’ve rephrased to original to try to be clearer
Re:Math Problems for children from 5 to 15 (2004) [pdf] by thaumasiotes on Monday July 19, 2021 @03:01PM (#27886136)
> say the books value is 7.5, Mash must have 1.5 (7.5 - 7) and Misha 6.5 (7.5 - 1), however now when you combine them they sum to exactly 7.5 not less than

There are several problems with this:

- 7.5 - 7 is 0.5, not 1.5

- 1.5 + 6.5 is 8, not 7.5

- 0.5 + 6.5 is still less than 7.5

The problem specifies that 2x - 8 < x. There is no way to constrain this to the specific solution x = 7. Everything would work fine if the book cost -2.6 kopecks.

Re:Math Problems for children from 5 to 15 (2004) [pdf] by haxiomic on Monday July 19, 2021 @03:12PM (#27886232)
Thank you :) I’m being very clueless today
Re:Math Problems for children from 5 to 15 (2004) [pdf] by LeifCarrotson on Monday July 19, 2021 @02:28PM (#27885791)
6.5 plus 0.5 is 7.0, they don't add up to exactly 7.5.
Re:Math Problems for children from 5 to 15 (2004) [pdf] by ekster on Monday July 19, 2021 @02:12PM (#27885603)
A kopeck is like a cent (1/100th of a ruble).