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Re:Assange case: Key witness admits he lied by roenxi on Monday July 19, 2021 @06:21AM (#27880901)
When talking about "astroturfing" it is worth remembering that the average person is dangerously practical and not easily persuaded by "the incentives here are terrible..." style arguments. But they do have very strong loyalty to anything perceived as part of the in-group.

It is likely that the attacks on Assange were all in good faith. Still baseless though, the fellow has all but secured his place in the history books as a hero at this point.

Re:Assange case: Key witness admits he lied by pydry on Monday July 19, 2021 @08:17AM (#27881774)
What do you call a bad faith argument adopted by somebody in good faith?
Re:Assange case: Key witness admits he lied by roenxi on Monday July 19, 2021 @09:02AM (#27882168)
"perfectly ordinary political discou..." oh wait, no that isn't right.

I don't know. Not astroturfing though, that has implications that the people arguing don't believe what they are saying and are just in it for a cheque.

Re:Assange case: Key witness admits he lied by pydry on Monday July 19, 2021 @09:10AM (#27882249)
Ok so what do you call the mass of people that includes:

1. In it for the cheque. 2. Believe the people who are in it for the cheque.

Given that there's very rarely an easy way to tell them apart and 2 follows 1?

Honest question.

I would lean towards calling it a wave of astroturfing given that 2 doesnt happen without 1 and 2 and 1 are inseparable, but I can potentially see the argument for using different terminology if there is something more precise.

What, though?

Re:Assange case: Key witness admits he lied by harry8 on Monday July 19, 2021 @06:57AM (#27881133)
>It is likely that the attacks on Assange were all in good faith.

Then we got the Snowden leaks and that prior had to be updated...

Re:Assange case: Key witness admits he lied by roenxi on Monday July 19, 2021 @07:11AM (#27881248)
The fact that bad people are certainly involved doesn't change the likelihood that good people were involved. I know a few anti-Snowden types in real life. They're fine people, just not very good at predicting consequences.
Re:Assange case: Key witness admits he lied by harry8 on Monday July 19, 2021 @03:33PM (#27886452)
So not "all in good faith" then. Probably not all astroturfed is a fair update to that prior.