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Re:Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses duri... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday July 18, 2021 @11:00AM (#27873496)
> NIMBY/zoning laws prevent affordable housing from being developed

Jackson Hole reserves some housing for those who work full time for an employer in Teton County [1]. This strikes me as a reasonable balance between wanting to control housing stock and maintaining access to cheap labour.

[1] https://www.tetoncountywy.gov/720/Workforce-Homes

Re:Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses duri... by sandworm101 on Sunday July 18, 2021 @11:34AM (#27873765)
I sold my soul to the company store.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_scrip

There was good reason to do away with such concepts.

Re:Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses duri... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday July 18, 2021 @11:39AM (#27873819)
> the company store

Night and day. Company doesn’t own the home. Company doesn’t own the stores you shop at.

Re:Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses duri... by sandworm101 on Sunday July 18, 2021 @11:41AM (#27873832)
Not entirely different. Any non-dollar payment takes they employee's purchasing power out of the free market. Tying one's housing options to one's employment opens the door to similar abuses as company stores. Does a fired employee loose thier housing?
Re:Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses duri... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday July 18, 2021 @11:43AM (#27873850)
> Any non-dollar payment takes they employee's purchasing power out of the free market

Where is the non-dollar payment?

The law says landlords must rent certain units to people who work locally. The company is never involved except in verifying employment. If the employee wants, they can commute through the pass to Victor, Idaho and earn exactly what they were earning before.

Re:Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses duri... by effingwewt on Sunday July 18, 2021 @12:13PM (#27874092)
In California we have a notoriously evil company called Derrel's Mini Storage. They have some of the highest employee churn, such that they have permanent now hiring signs at all locations - which are explodingat the moment due to the many people moving out of California - almost all are completely full and we have I believe more than 10 just here.

They hire teams of two and force the men to do the manual labor and the women to do the deskwork.

They force the team to work and live on site. As in, to work there yoy must reside there. They make this sound like a bonus - it's not.

Now, when you inevitably decide to leave you must first find alternative living situation, and another job to pay for it while working extremely long hours at this place (sometimes 7 days a week open to close if they cant hire a relief team- and they only hire teams).

This is beyond evil.

When I was about 19 I worked on a rock quarry in Comstock, Texas. We had to live on-site at the 'wetback shack' (owner's words, and most of the employees were indeed illegals driven over from Acuna, Mexico). This was because he wanted to start work at 4am and this ensured everyone would show up- not his only reason however.

We made minimum wage busting and palletizing rock, even if we operated heavy machinery wage didnt change. They charged us $3 per soda or water at the swear to God it literally was Company Store. We also, we found out when we got our 1st check, were charged rent to stay in the shack. I think at what 3.30/hr (one water per hour!) damn near nothing was left. We, my friends and I who had family in Del Rio, Tx, could leave, and we did. The poor bastards who worked harder than anyone and were generally shit on (the illegals) they couldn't leave. The people who were from Comstock outskirts where there were no other jobs or places to rent? They stayed.

This was in 1999.

Tying living in any way with work is disgusting and not in any way shape or form altruistic.

Re:Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses duri... by sandworm101 on Sunday July 18, 2021 @11:45AM (#27873882)
The payment is the cheaper housing options due to employeers needing to fill units with local workers. The evil is that, once so housed, the employee is no longer free to take non-local work. Are these people free to quit and start a remote-work job?
Re:Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses duri... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday July 18, 2021 @11:50AM (#27873913)
> Are these people free to quit and start a remote-work job?

Got it. I see what you mean. No, they are not. Practically speaking, these jobs are not ones that can be done remotely. (But maybe another could.) More practically, absent these measures, those workers are commuting in.

Re:Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses duri... by 29083011397778 on Monday July 19, 2021 @02:36AM (#27879855)
Directly from the article, some business owners are doing better than others because they house [some to a majority of] their workforce.

Sure, you're missing the company owning the church, but fewer Americans are religious now. The employer also doesn't own all the local stores, but "It's not a company town because the stores are owned by people that all know each other (due to it being a small town), instead of one individual" is a little too close to be comfortable to me.

Re:Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses duri... by Red_Leaves_Flyy on Sunday July 18, 2021 @06:26PM (#27877237)
The company is the “stock market” class.
Re:Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses duri... by motioncuty on Sunday July 18, 2021 @02:03PM (#27874995)
And then you are stuck at the will of that one company. My first roommate in a mountain town was not like by his manager, got fired and kicked out of company housing. Many people will take shelter in their cars in the national forrest for the summer. These mountain town workforces are essentially homeless, (well in many ways by choice) but these towns keep leveraging US public property for supplying land for camping, keeping wages lower than the housing and utility prices demand. Furthermore, how fun can a town full of transient vacationers really be if all the youths cant manage to go out or have a place to party.
Re:Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses duri... by SilasX on Sunday July 18, 2021 @11:13AM (#27873591)
No, tying any essential good to employment is not reasonable. See: health insurance.
Re:Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses duri... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday July 18, 2021 @11:19AM (#27873647)
> tying any essential good to employment is not reasonable

If you buy a workforce house, there is obviously no obligation to maintain employment. I’m not sure how it works for rentals.

The alternatives are flying people into company-owned housing, the way they did in Fargo during the oil boom. That seems far less savoury.

Re:Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses duri... by SilasX on Sunday July 18, 2021 @11:21AM (#27873658)
So people can get a sham job to get cheap housing?
Re:Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses duri... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday July 18, 2021 @11:25AM (#27873686)
> people can get a sham job to get cheap housing?

Yes. And then be charged with fraud.

Re:Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses duri... by SilasX on Sunday July 18, 2021 @11:31AM (#27873725)
I meant sham job in the sense of "legit job offer you don't plan to keep for a while just to qualify", not "false documents for non-existent job".
Re:Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses duri... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday July 18, 2021 @11:35AM (#27873769)
> sham job in the sense of "legit job offer you don't plan to keep for a while just to qualify"

Fair enough. I don’t know the text of the law.

Also, the entire county has a population just over 20,000; the city of Jackson, less than half that. This would cause problems for the employer who let it happen as well as the new resident.

Re:Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses duri... by SilasX on Sunday July 18, 2021 @11:43AM (#27873860)
It "causes problems" when you "let" an employee quit a job too soon?

Edit: I know HN hates tedious back-and-forths, so let me just jump to the substantive point: any time you have a situation where you have special carve-outs for an essential good, you're not really solving the problem, you're just encouraging people to game it. See the past thread about enrolling in college part time to get health insurance.

Re:Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses duri... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday July 18, 2021 @11:45AM (#27873876)
> It "causes problems" when you "let" an employee quit a job too soon?

The law isn’t code; mental state matters. If you got a job to buy a subsidised house with a plan to quit, in a small town, that will cause you problems. If you provided that sham job, it will cause you problems.

Maybe they hired a great lawyer and never sent any text messages about their brilliant plan to defraud their neighbours. But most probably they didn’t, and that fact pattern would certainly be enough to warrant scrutiny.

Re:Tahoe's hiring crisis is unraveling small businesses duri... by BurningFrog on Sunday July 18, 2021 @11:11AM (#27873569)
It sounds like a guest worker program.