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Re:Illinois first state to tell police they can't lie to min... by rovolo on Friday July 16, 2021 @02:50PM (#27859784)
JFYI, you may be inferring "gang-caused" from "gang-related".

> An additional concern is the varying methods by which homicides are classified as “gang-related.” The most commonly used is the “member-based” approach, in which a homicide is classified as gang-related if the victim was and/or the perpetrator is a gang member.

[] https://nationalgangcenter.ojp.gov/about/faq#faq-5-how-are-g...

Also, tons of people (850k - 1.4m) are classified as gang members. The criteria for being a gang member is very broad and includes friend groups who've been arrested:

- The group has three or more members, generally aged 12–24.

- Members share an identity, typically linked to a name, and often other symbols.

- Members view themselves as a gang, and they are recognized by others as a gang.

- The group has some permanence and a degree of organization.

- The group is involved in an elevated level of criminal activity.

[] https://nationalgangcenter.ojp.gov/about/faq#faq-1-what-is-a...

[] 850k https://nationalgangcenter.ojp.gov/about/faq#faq-4-how-exten...

[] 1.4 million (page 9) https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/stats-services-publicati...

If you calculate out the statistics, there're tons of people classified as gang members

{ latino: ~50%, black: ~30%, white non-latino: ~15% }

{ latino: 450k-700k, black: 250-400k, white non-latino: 125-200k }

(I don't know how they classify black latino vs white latino)

[] https://nationalgangcenter.ojp.gov/about/faq#faq-11-what-is-...

You can compare these numbers to the total population of males (90% of gang members are male) in the 14-24 age range (I excluded the 10-14 population even though it's included in the 12-24 age range). Classifying 10% of the population as being in a gang basically makes the label useless since you can then call almost anything "gang-related".

{ latino: 5m, black: 3m, white non-latino: 15m }

{ latino: ~10%, black: ~10%, white non-latino: 1% }

[] https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table?tid=ACSDT1Y2011.B01001I

[] https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table?tid=ACSDT1Y2019.B01001B

[] https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table?tid=ACSDT1Y2019.B01001A

Re:Illinois first state to tell police they can't lie to min... by spamizbad on Friday July 16, 2021 @07:55PM (#27862484)
It’s just an acedote, but: a friend of mine ended up in a gang database for identifying a gang member and stating he went to the same K-8 school as the gang member. This flagged him as someone with “known gang associates”. Years later, it almost cost him a job that conducted a background check, but he was ultimately able to dispute it.