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Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by xxpor on Friday July 16, 2021 @12:58AM (#27853155)
US Supreme Court.

And there's a very good chance the entire world look different if Gore won. There may have not been a 9/11, for one. There would have certainly not been an Iraq war.

Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by krrrh on Friday July 16, 2021 @02:14AM (#27853467)
We’ll never know for sure, but this seems like revisionist history and motivated reasoning. Gore and his advisors supported regime change in Iraq when he was in office and intelligence failures didn’t suddenly start in early 2001, nor were they restricted to the United States.[0]

It’s possible that the tone around climate change would have been different under a Gore administration, but the entire composition of Congress would also have looked different after the mid-terms in response to a Democratic president making sweeping changes to the economy (as it was republicans already controlled the Senate for half of Bush’s time in office, and the house for three quarters). The fiscal conservatism of 90s republicans may have stayed intact instead of accepting large deficits as they did under Bush.

The feature and bug of the US system of democracy is that radical change is hard to do and disagreements can’t be steamrolled over. Sometimes the right person can have an enormous effect on the course of history (Washington, Lincoln, FDR), but it’s unlikely Gore was one of those people.

[0] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/why-al-gore-wo...

Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by downWidOutaFite on Friday July 16, 2021 @02:41AM (#27853590)
It was not intelligence failures that got us into Iraq. The politicians lied us into the war on purpose and hid, obstructed, and made up the intelligence as they saw fit. One of the biggest crimes in American history should be remembered correctly.
Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by anticodon on Friday July 16, 2021 @03:12AM (#27853730)
It was exactly what is stated in the article: shortage of energy. US consumes several times more energy per capita than even Europe. At the same time industrial output of US is small and diminishing with every year.

US needs more oil. Hence all the wars. Iraq - oil. Libya - oil. Syria - oil (US occupied all oil deposits in Syria where and extracts it without giving anything back to the people of Syria).

Afghanistan - I'm not sure, but considering that during US occupation, production of heroine in Afghanistan went up orders of magnitude, and many visitors to Afghanistan reported that US guarded poppy fields, probably it was due to drugs. Kill two birds with one stone: get rich from selling drugs, finance other wars and coups with drug money, and flood geopolitical enemies that happen to be located next to Afghanistan borders with the most powerful drug.

The next target will be also rich in oil, although it would be definitely said that it's only because of lack of democracy in the said country.

Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by downWidOutaFite on Friday July 16, 2021 @03:26AM (#27853790)
In two decades of reading about it I've seen this oil theory many times but I haven't seen anything that convinces me that it was the real motivation. The closest strategic explanation was the neocons' PNAC letters which were basically just bravado about America throwing its weight around to maintain their global dominance. Reprehensible stuff.
Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by roenxi on Friday July 16, 2021 @04:53AM (#27854260)
If it wasn't the real explanation then nothing America does makes any sense. There have been a notable lack of invasions of African, Asian, European or South American countries. The Middle Easterners aren't that different from everywhere else - except they have lots of oil.
Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by webinvest on Friday July 16, 2021 @10:27AM (#27856544)
Military industrial complex? “Alleged” weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Islamic extremists? Politicians wanting to appear tough on crime? Avoiding another 1970s energy crisis? Islamic suicide bombers / terrorists?

I don’t know.

Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by webinvest on Friday July 16, 2021 @01:20PM (#27858642)
Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by ganafagol on Friday July 16, 2021 @03:27AM (#27853798)
> The next target will be also rich in oil, although it would be definitely said that it's only because of lack of democracy in the said country.

Haiti.

Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by anticodon on Friday July 16, 2021 @04:35AM (#27854159)
It was just a minor coup at the USA backdoor.

The next victim of US military incursion will be oil rich country. There's no reason for incursion if it is not going to be profitable for the US.

If there's "no democracy" in some country but also no valuable natural resources, it's not worth spending expensive missiles and bombs. E.g. dictatorship in Cambodia would be always safe as there're little gains in occupying Cambodia.

Same for Haiti. It doesn't mean that US won't intervene with cheaper methods like assassinations and/or propaganda.

US literally prints money, it's very easy for them to set up media outlets publishing propaganda non-stop 24/7 in almost every country on Earth.

FAANG monopolies are also a big part of this picture. They all censor all anti-american views and push propaganda. E.g., if you're from Russia, and you register on YouTube, you'll see Navalny channel in recommendations for months, even if you explicitly block his channel and channels of his associates. Facebook regularly blocks pro-Russian persons, groups and posts (including published in Russian in Russia). Many Netflix series (and Hollywood movies) continue to picture US as the exceptional country with exceptional people ("chosen by God") while all the rest are third-world worthless thrash (see Narcos, for example). Also, almost all the villains in Hollywood movies are Russian (Tenet is the recent example).

Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by ganafagol on Friday July 16, 2021 @04:18PM (#27860765)
> The next victim of US military incursion will be oil rich country. There's no reason for incursion if it is not going to be profitable for the US.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. See e.g. https://www.worldoil.com/news/2010/1/27/haiti-could-have-lar...

Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by refurb on Friday July 16, 2021 @07:44AM (#27855271)
What natural resources did Afghanistan have that was worth 20 years and trillions of dollars?
Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by puchatek on Friday July 16, 2021 @02:20AM (#27853496)
It takes a while to plan and execute something like 9/11. This is not one guy with an IED in Kabul. The pilots got their licences for that specific purpose. That alone takes months.

Bush became president in January 2001. You think Al Qaeda was like "oh no, Gore lost? Let's proceed with that airplane plan" right there and then? Like they even remotely care if it's a dem or Rep.

Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by jopsen on Friday July 16, 2021 @08:14AM (#27855470)
Yeah, it probably wouldn't have changed anything.

But US intelligences services might have caught it, by sheet chance if history was to replay with slightly different variables. Just saying, they got lucky.

Consequences of 9/11 certainly could have looked different, if the US was less focus on oil and less concerned about confronting the Saudis.

Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by agsamek on Friday July 16, 2021 @01:30AM (#27853286)
For sure. Obama played kindly with Putin, no worries about Ukraine invasion in Europe. He prevented a global conflict for sure, thanks to his kindness and openness /s