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Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by AnimalMuppet on Thursday July 15, 2021 @07:36PM (#27851366)
> But I think it’s a mistake to get too into the idea that civilization is fragile.

Take the US, for instance. The constitution has been in force since 1789. That's 222 years. You don't get to 222 years by not being stable. If the Civil War and the 1960s didn't destroy the US, it's pretty stable.

And yet... we have historical examples of civilizations collapsing. When it happens, it often happens fast (or at least slowly, and then fast). It seems unwise to say that it can't happen to us.

And, sure, social norms can be flexible. Not all problems can be fixed by changing social norms, though. Like, say, drought causing food shortages. Flexible social norms aren't going to solve that; they're just going to lead to looting becoming acceptable.

Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by sillysaurusx on Thursday July 15, 2021 @07:41PM (#27851408)
Oh, to be clear, I think it will happen. I just don’t think it’s going to be something so predictable. Almost by definition, a civilization collapses due to a surprise — some belief was wrong.

And there’s value in questioning our (often unexamined) beliefs. But taking it too seriously, thinking that you’ve got it figured out and that others are fools for not listening to you — well… Maybe you would have predicted the meteor to the dinosaurs, and maybe they would’ve been fools for not listening, but there was also very little any of them could have done to change the outcome.

Pick your favorite civilization collapse story. What would you have done, at that time, to change it?

One could argue “at least I would’ve seen it coming.” That’s true; be informed. But I object to the idea that everyone is generally foolish for not taking these concerns seriously. The concerns are mistaken far more than they’re correct.

Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by nemo44x on Thursday July 15, 2021 @08:49PM (#27851921)
Rome didn’t really collapse but rather wither away slowly over hundreds of years. Even still the most useful parts lived on five without the empire aspect which didn’t matter for most people.

In the end I think we overestimate the effects collapse. Look at much of Europe over the 19th and 20th centuries. Unbelievable levels of suffering and many millions needlessly died over those 200 years. But for most life just went on.

Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by TheOtherHobbes on Thursday July 15, 2021 @08:52PM (#27851934)
Of course it's foolish not to take an obvious concern like climate change seriously.

The consequences are predictable, and they should be avoidable and unnecessary.

For most of the population there is no downside in avoiding them, any more than there was in mitigating Y2K or making seatbelts compulsory.

This isn't mythology we're talking about, but science.