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Re:Pharo 9 by discreteevent on Thursday July 15, 2021 @11:05AM (#27845592)
Java was free and open source and based on files rather than an image.
Re:Pharo 9 by philipswood on Thursday July 15, 2021 @12:34PM (#27846633)
Free as in "free beer", but not open source until much, much later.

Interestingly enough the JVM hotspot compiler was done by Smalltalkers (checkout Strongtalk)

Re:Pharo 9 by igouy on Thursday July 15, 2021 @11:32AM (#27845903)
Java was free. (And marketed by a large organization.)
Re:Pharo 9 by cmrdporcupine on Thursday July 15, 2021 @01:26PM (#27847254)
It's true, and a huge point. Until Squeak came along I as a hobbyist -- who was really interested in Smaltalk -- simply couldn't get my hands on a Smalltalk (other than GNU Smalltalk which doesn't count). All through the 80s and early 90s I salivated at screenshots and descriptions of it, but never got to play with it.

That said, When I did finally get Squeak, I found it pretty neat, but it just never blew me away like I thought it would. I just didn't have anything to do with it.