I think my point is that there _isn't_ a way to fight all oppression. Pretty women get objectified, but they also get status. Jocks get power/whatever, but they're also trapped with value systems that actually don't make them that happy.

Even the people holding the strings are puppets.

>I haven't seen any evidence that it's the result of endemic, institutional sexism against men

Apathy is its own form of sexism, which is to say: if selecting based on sex indicates educational disparity, then sexism must exist somewhere in the system.

>(For productivity reasons, this'll be my last comment on the subject, but I'll read your response if there's one— Just wanted to say I dug the civil exchange of ideas. Stay cool.)

Same here--thanks to you as well! I especially appreciate that you qualify this as civil; I know I go for the throat sometimes, and sometimes I think HN wants us to be more polite than effective, if you follow.