I understand your point but I think that emotional suppression is a much greater crime than failing to be polite. After all, politeness has quite a storied history in being used to suppress and control people that are used to being 'othered', many of which feel things that are much stronger than I am expressing here
Re:A privacy war is raging inside the W3C
by mixmastamyk on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @06:03PM
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Agreed. If these folks are assholes, I want to hear the truth.
Re:A privacy war is raging inside the W3C
by allturtles on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @06:20PM
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Great, politeness is racist now?
I don't think that politeness is inherently racist, but it has been used as a tool of racial suppression, and as a way of keeping itinerants in line
https://www.ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcrow/question/2006/sept...
Re:A privacy war is raging inside the W3C
by allturtles on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @08:50PM
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The segregated South was a culture of total racial oppression. So yes every aspect of the culture reflected and reinforced racial oppression, all backed by the threat (or reality) of violence. This doesn't cast doubt on the value of politeness, any more than it casts doubt on the value of signs, schools, water fountains, restaurants, or laws.
It shouldn't cast doubt on the value of politeness, but it does cast doubt on its application and where and why it is appropriate. Are you saying that this legacy has not cast any shadows on modern culture?
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Re:A privacy war is raging inside the W3C
by andrewzah on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @05:46PM
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"politeness has quite a storied history in being used to suppress and control people"
As I said, it's not fair. I agree with you that it shouldn't be that way. But I also accept the fact that that's how things are, unfortunately. Life isn't fair.
Maybe someday humans will be better, but I think not. And this is getting off-tangent from dealing with the problem at hand.
I can afford not to care. Sure in situations resembling servility I might have to revert to a more polite manner of speaking, but I make great effort to avoid them as they are debasing.
A lot of the folks here on HN are responsible for the current reality of tech. A nice polite discussion is great but I want to express strong feelings and make people feel bad for their choices. And politely debating the merits of something does not do that.
Being vulgar (even if technically justified) weakens the message for many people, especially when the other party is very polite and professional in return. edit: I would prefer if people weren't like that, but that's just one of the many flaws that humans have. Trying to change that instead of acknowledging it and adapting is an exercise in frustration.
I'm not "affected by mere words", but I do prefer well worded arguments to mere expletives. And I'm not alone in that.